DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

I never said a word about you’re kids. Calm down.
If conoco closed a refinery because of lack of product they undoubtedly made public announcement. Please post that announcement!
The person making a claim ( you) has the responsibility to provide back up. Beyond that it is antidotal word of mouth.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Actually, you are confused and re-reading from the opening post may enlighten you. The OP started the thread with Biden remarks as part of the discussion and was using a source not held in high esteem by many due to their right bias and low factual reporting reputation. You are the only one who brought Trump into the discussion. Your typical holier than thou attitude displays make you appear as thinking you possess some sort of intellectual superiority on many threads, so your projecting is foolish. Apparently you think / know that I am a Biden supporter, hence your typical disdain for non-trumpettes. Too bad that I have never supported Biden or Trump and I could care less about your assumptions. I just enjoy pointing out your frequent hypocrisy!

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Who told you that?

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Perhaps those who tried to o*******w our gov’t whispered in her ear.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

It seems persons of a more, ah, ‘liberal’ persuasion are long on requesting supporting-evidence from those they disagree with; yet are woefully inept at supplying data to support their far-fetched allegations . . . .

Just sayin’.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Bullsh@t

I have posted numerous. Links attesting to refineries closing and why and no one repeat not one has been supplied a single source supporting the lie they have closed for lack of product( crude oil) .- NOT ONE !!

By the the t***h is not partisan!!

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

That answer was not meant for you.
BUT

I will say:

1. Demand for gasoline, diesel (and soon heating oil) is still peaking.

2. There is more oil flowing through more pipelines to more refineries than ever before. Also more oil being supplied by truck and rail to gathering-points, which is then being moved via pipelines to refineries.

3. Refineries are and have been closing. The avowed reasons are due to age, upkeep-costs, and, lack-of-demand for product(s). I could see that decline in demand leading to an “idling” of refineries—but not shutdowns.

4. President FJ Biden has requested oil companies and refineries to produce even more fuel products — which several are currently doing. This even if Biden has not requested private investment in any new refineries.

5. Even with the refineries (still in operation) producing at maximum levels of output, DEMAND is still outstripping supply. Until demand drops, there appears little chance of a decrease in the costs of fuels.

6. The current investment requirement to either re-start a shuttered refinery OR to construct a new refinery is a large expense, and CANNOT be done in a really short time span.

7. Oil and refinery-operating companies have been told by government direction, that oil exploration, drilling and production are going to be a thing-of-the-past, as the U.S. is going down the path of eliminating oil and gas dependence in favor of “environmentally friendly” or “renewable” energy sources. (Sources without a proven reliable production track-record).

8. Any increase in crop-derived fuels (gasahol/cornahol) will only have adverse effects on food supplies, either for human or animal consumption. In addition, vegetable-derived fuels require more time, fuel, and energy than an equivalent amount of fuel derived from refining crude oil. Then there is the problem of distribution: I am unaware of any alcohol-delivery pipelines. So everything has to be shipped by train or truck — which requires more diesel fuel — which has to come from oil at refineries. Another set of ‘unintended and unforeseen’ consequences.

CONCLUSION: We are in a mess! There is no quick-fix solution. Until demand drops, prices will remain high. Politicians do not have an answer — or much of a clue.

Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas

I didn’t say the entire refinery is closing yet. I said they have shut down some of their units. But, if things continue as they are, it may be that they will be making that announcement. If they do, I promise to post it. ConocoPhillips has 2 refineries in Texas, One in Sweeny and another in the Baytown area. The one in Sweeny is much smaller than the other so it has a chance of being more affected.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Let us know “ when” that may happen . Unti then it hasn’t happened.

anotherview Loc: California

Too much personal invective here. Good bye.