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Jun 25, 2022 13:34:26   #
reverendray
 
As posted here, both directly and implied, you first need to ask "why do you wish to upgrade?" In my personal case I did just that and found that the upgrade from a D810 to a D850, when I looked at resolution and dynamic range they was not enough difference to make it meaningful in terms of print quality. I have sold prints as large and 20x30 and they have been very acceptable by the purchasers. I may upgrade to a better 20mm lens as I do a lot of landscapes and the 20mm D lens is an older one and there are not sharper lenses out.

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Jun 25, 2022 13:36:15   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
reverendray wrote:
As posted here, both directly and implied, you first need to ask "why do you wish to upgrade?" In my personal case I did just that and found that the upgrade from a D810 to a D850, when I looked at resolution and dynamic range they was not enough difference to make it meaningful in terms of print quality. I have sold prints as large and 20x30 and they have been very acceptable by the purchasers. I may upgrade to a better 20mm lens as I do a lot of landscapes and the 20mm D lens is an older one and there are not sharper lenses out.
As posted here, both directly and implied, you fir... (show quote)


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Jun 25, 2022 14:28:51   #
BebuLamar
 
Urnst wrote:
I didn't ask whether I should buy the second camera. I asked if the difference in megapixels would be worth the investment.


You should be able to determine for yourself if the 4MP is worth the investment. Nobody else can do that on your money.

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Jun 25, 2022 15:24:08   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
BebuLamar wrote:
You should be able to determine for yourself if the 4MP is worth the investment. Nobody else can do that on your money.


I was seeking advice, not a decision. Can't you understand the difference?

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Jun 25, 2022 19:06:25   #
Boris77
 
Urnst wrote:
I didn't ask whether I should buy the second camera. I asked if the difference in megapixels would be worth the investment.


OK. NO!! Boris

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Jun 25, 2022 23:42:01   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Yes the increase in megapixels is 25%. What does that mean for the image?

Assuming the aspect ratio (width to height ratio) is the same the resolution will increase by the square root of the megapixel ratio. 25% increase in megapixels will result in 11.8% increase in resolution. That is because the increase in megapixels is split between the width and the height. The megapixels represent an area (2 dimensions), while the resolution is determined by a line (1 dimension).

Is a 12% resolution increase significant?
Yes the increase in megapixels is 25%. What does t... (show quote)


Sorry to be getting back to you, UserID, and Urnst so late but I had to be off line a while.

I understand stand the point that you and UserID were trying to make and I stand corrected about the difference between increased megapixels and increased resolution. The difference is 11.8% in resolution for a 16mp to 20 mp increase. The question is in your minds that that is not enough. For me that would be enough. Yes, there will be even bigger increases in future 4/3rds cameras. Panasonic has already moved from 20mp to 25mp (still only a 12% increase in resolution). That is a 25% increase in resolution if Urnst was going from 16mp to 25mp (Panasonic GH6). But it is a less sophisticated 25mp sensor than the new 20mp sensor in the new OMDS OM-1 (the 20 mp sensor has 2 stops more in ISO and more dynamic range). OMDS is talking future sensors of 32mp and 41mp (although I would like to see an increase to 25mp with the new sensor too). I know of no photographer that does not want an increase in both megapixels and resolution.

I understand your thinking of 11.8% in resolution as marginal. But if we look at what is available, it is not that bad. The most popular size sensor in full frame is 24mp. The next size up is 26mp (4% increased resolution; definitely not worth it). The next major size up, including a much higher price, is 33mp (17% increase in resolution). The next size up from that is 45mp (37% increase in resolution; if you have to ask the price, you really cannot afford it. Definitely more than $700.)

Again, for me, $700 is not a bad price to jump from 16mp to 20mp (and provides a second body). And the future will even offer higher megapixels and resolution - and of course at a higher price.

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Jun 26, 2022 06:16:24   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
In my opinion, the second body is a stronger reason than the resolution.

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Jun 26, 2022 13:28:53   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
wdross wrote:
Sorry to be getting back to you, UserID, and Urnst so late but I had to be off line a while.

I understand stand the point that you and UserID were trying to make and I stand corrected about the difference between increased megapixels and increased resolution. The difference is 11.8% in resolution for a 16mp to 20 mp increase. The question is in your minds that that is not enough. For me that would be enough. Yes, there will be even bigger increases in future 4/3rds cameras. Panasonic has already moved from 20mp to 25mp (still only a 12% increase in resolution). That is a 25% increase in resolution if Urnst was going from 16mp to 25mp (Panasonic GH6). But it is a less sophisticated 25mp sensor than the new 20mp sensor in the new OMDS OM-1 (the 20 mp sensor has 2 stops more in ISO and more dynamic range). OMDS is talking future sensors of 32mp and 41mp (although I would like to see an increase to 25mp with the new sensor too). I know of no photographer that does not want an increase in both megapixels and resolution.

I understand your thinking of 11.8% in resolution as marginal. But if we look at what is available, it is not that bad. The most popular size sensor in full frame is 24mp. The next size up is 26mp (4% increased resolution; definitely not worth it). The next major size up, including a much higher price, is 33mp (17% increase in resolution). The next size up from that is 45mp (37% increase in resolution; if you have to ask the price, you really cannot afford it. Definitely more than $700.)

Again, for me, $700 is not a bad price to jump from 16mp to 20mp (and provides a second body). And the future will even offer higher megapixels and resolution - and of course at a higher price.
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Jun 26, 2022 14:16:51   #
lukevaliant Loc: gloucester city,n. j.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Most camera manufacturers update the sensor design and the digital processor in model to model updates. One would expect to see relatively minor improvements, not revolutionary differences in cameras just one generation apart.

If you're not satisfied with your current images, consider starting a new thread posting example images being sure to store original unedited JPEGs and ask for help and ideas specific to those images. This free action will prove to be much more effective than trying to buy better images from another camera model.
Most camera manufacturers update the sensor design... (show quote)



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Jun 26, 2022 19:26:48   #
jcboy3
 
Urnst wrote:
I have a 16mp camera and am considering buying an updated version with 20mp. The new camera would cost $700. Is it worth it? I mostly look at my images on my computer but sometimes make prints.


The E-M1.2 is a big improvement over the E-M1.1. And it has more AF points and much better auto focus, especially continous. And it has much faster sensor readout (1/60 s vs 1/15 s)

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Jun 26, 2022 21:52:20   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
In my opinion, the second body is a stronger reason than the resolution.


I cannot disagree with that opinion. I am in total agreement. This is why this time my wife will be using be getting my hand-me-down "backup" E-M1 mkII. My grandkids will not be getting this one. The E-M1 mkII will be "available" if need be - if I can pry it out of her hands. But I still have the opinion that the 16mp to 20mp is not that marginal an increase in megapixels or resolution. Both together, the second body and increase, would be enough for me to spend $700 if I was in Urnst's place.

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Jun 27, 2022 08:08:27   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto: "If you are happy with the old one, stay with it."
PHRubin wrote:
If you are happy with the old one, stay with it.
I doubt the 20 MP will give much better images, but a new camera will probably have new improved features. Only you can decide after reviewing the camera description if it is worth the money. Good luck either way.

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Jun 27, 2022 13:04:21   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
jcboy3 wrote:
The E-M1.2 is a big improvement over the E-M1.1. And it has more AF points and much better auto focus, especially continous. And it has much faster sensor readout (1/60 s vs 1/15 s)


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