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Jun 23, 2022 13:51:47   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
markngolf wrote:
I understand his comments are occasionally sarcastic. Mostly, I see them as humorous, but I understand not everyone agrees. I respect your opinion.
Mark


Well I may have caught him on some off days or perhaps I am being a little sensitive. I read some of his older posts and he does help out.

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Jun 23, 2022 13:52:37   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
rlv567 wrote:
I suppose I could be unusual, but I was 94 last January, and am trying new software all the time - with no problems whatsoever! It's something I enjoy. For those who are technically challenged, YouTube can be of considerable assistance.

Re the quotes from Paul's postings - recognize the first two as irony! The latter three are excellent advice for anyone truly interested in learning!!! -- as is most of his instruction and/or advice. Many find it quite useful; if you don't, you are not required to read it!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
I suppose I could be unusual, but I was 94 last Ja... (show quote)


Well I may have caught him on some off days or perhaps I am being a little sensitive. I read some of his older posts and he does help out.

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Jun 23, 2022 14:44:05   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
r1ch wrote:
Well I may have caught him on some off days or perhaps I am being a little sensitive. I read some of his older posts and he does help out.


It takes an honest and flexible person to examine prior thoughts and opinions. I admire that.

Cheers,
Mark

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Jun 23, 2022 15:11:08   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
flyboy61 wrote:
This is no laughing matter to me: To begin with, I am borderline computer illiterate. I can get my email, navigate Facebook, YouTube, and some of my favorite sites.
Over the years, my wife has spent several hundred dollars on computer editing programs for me, all of which were a total waste of money!
Somehow, I just didn't "get it". After my nephew, who is a computer whiz told my wife not to waste any more $$$ if I couldn't fathom Photoshop Elements. I finally found Picasa, which I have used for years with only minimal problems.
I would like to graduate to an editing program that will have a few more capabilities, be usable, but very simple. I would like to have other capability, like making composites, panoramics, straightening converging verticals and removing unwanted things from photos, in addition to the simple things...cropping, and adjusting color balance. So far, I don't haven't been able to make a folder on our computer.
O.K., I'd like some suggestions regarding simple ways to upgrade my computer skills, and easy to use editing programs.
Thanks!
This is no laughing matter to me: To begin with, I... (show quote)


What programs have your tried and not been happy with. You should list these, or you will get suggestions that will be no good.

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Jun 23, 2022 15:16:35   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
markngolf wrote:
It takes an honest and flexible person to examine prior thoughts and opinions. I admire that.

Cheers,
Mark



Agreed!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 23, 2022 15:56:59   #
josquin1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Wow all of these posts about Paul rather than the topic. Can anybody remember what it was?

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Jun 23, 2022 16:09:46   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
markngolf wrote:
I understand his comments are occasionally sarcastic. Mostly, I see them as humorous, but I understand not everyone agrees. I respect your opinion.
Mark


Some people do not recognize that those comments are tongue in cheek and/or sarcastic is a light way. I truly feel sorry for folks who do not recognize nor or enjoy humor. They are missing the joys and stress relief they provide.

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Jun 23, 2022 20:02:14   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
josquin1 wrote:
Wow all of these posts about Paul rather than the topic. Can anybody remember what it was?


My thought exactly. The OP never said a word about being offended unless I missed it. Additionally, these forums are moderated pretty actively and if anybody needs their ears pinned back, I'm guessing they would take care of it where needed without any biased amateur help, right??

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Jun 23, 2022 21:59:55   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
niteman3d wrote:
Assuming you shoot JPG? I use AMS Photoworks most of the time which you can download for a week or so free trial, after that it's twenty dollars US for one year or $50 for a lifetime license. It's pretty capable while being very simple to use. It has video tutorial buttons on nearly every function and also gives you a walk-through at the beginning that's very simple. Windows Photos is pretty simple, but not as complete... but it's free. So is GIMP, but it's way more complicated, on a photoshop level of a learning curve. There are many other free ones, but many are online which I don't care for, but you might. I think Picasa is still downloadable somewhere? As for moving forward with computer skills, youTube is your friend. Do a search there for "how to make a new file in Windows 10 (or whatever) and you'll find lots of hits, the same goes for Bing or Google. Just ask fundamental questions to start and then build on what you learn with more difficult questions. Good luck!
Assuming you shoot JPG? I use AMS Photoworks most... (show quote)


So let me try this again.

So without knowing everything you have and what you don't like and what you have problems with.

Luminar Neo has a great many AI features that all work well.

Since you cannot make a folder on your computer, the only folder you will work with is Pictures, everything will be installed there. All pictures from your camera will be there. You will have millions of pictures there and when that drives you crazy, you will learn in Neo how to right click the pictures folder, and create new subfolder like portrait or landscape. But not until you are ready.

There 3 tabs at the top, catalog, there will be only one folder, pictures click the image you want to edit. The next tab at the to is presets. You will not have to edit your pictures, you can use presets. Choose from portrait type or landscape, night, big city, experimental. Click and you are done.

If you want to edit your photos, the 3rd choice is edit. You can edit your photos in develop and get all the adobe type features like.

Under every adjustment is Mask AI. You click on it it will make a number of different masks. It will find sky, mountains, water, buildings, foreground, natural terrain, streets, people, animal and so on. You will be able to use filters or enhancements you like to one, two or multiple mask areas as many times as you like adding the area or subtracting the area.

If you don't want to do that because it is too complicated, you can use enhance AI which will automatically figure it all out and adjust only the areas that should be adjusted. You can use Structure AI to do the same with structure.

If you want to experiment with layers, you can use Sky AI and it will replace the sky with one you choose from a collection (you can buy more) or one of your own skys.

If you take pictures, portrait AI will blur the background, remove the background and you can replace it with something else. It will smooth the persons skin, the AI will find the mouth and eyes and not blur or smooth those and make your subject look great. The AI will also allow you to slim the fact and it will find the body and allow you to make fat people look thin or thinner.

Landscape will take your landscapes and make them look like golden hour, dehaze or enhance the foliage.

Relight AI will allow you to make your subject brighter if they are dark because you shot into the sun. Or it will darken the background based on a depth map that you can control. This is ai and will figure out where your subject and background are.

Atmosphere will allow you to add fog, it is ai so will add it in the right spots

You have all the cool things, Sunrays that are AI and put them between branches with shadows, Glow, mystical, mood, dramatic are all their to add mood to your image.

This software works with JPG but you get more AI features if you use raw images.

All AI all easy, if you can't figure this one out. Go back to Picasa or try another hobby. Luminar Neo is as easy as it gets there are many people who make videos showing you how to use the software.

One more thing. This software company is based in Ukraine. The main office is in Kiev. Tell your wife she will be helping Ukrainians if she buys this software for you if you need some leverage.

Jim Nix videos are great and easy to learn https://youtu.be/4UdLniMZk4o
Jim Nix https://youtu.be/N3fQuaOHnrQ

Anthony Turnham has some great videos https://youtu.be/cctDC6SHGVk

Pixelimperfect is a photoshop guy and he shows more advanced things maybe not for you but show basics as well. https://youtu.be/4UdLniMZk4o

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Jun 23, 2022 23:17:00   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
I missed.

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Jun 23, 2022 23:19:21   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
flyboy61 wrote:
This is no laughing matter to me: To begin with, I am borderline computer illiterate. I can get my email, navigate Facebook, YouTube, and some of my favorite sites.
Over the years, my wife has spent several hundred dollars on computer editing programs for me, all of which were a total waste of money!
Somehow, I just didn't "get it". After my nephew, who is a computer whiz told my wife not to waste any more $$$ if I couldn't fathom Photoshop Elements. I finally found Picasa, which I have used for years with only minimal problems.
I would like to graduate to an editing program that will have a few more capabilities, be usable, but very simple. I would like to have other capability, like making composites, panoramics, straightening converging verticals and removing unwanted things from photos, in addition to the simple things...cropping, and adjusting color balance. So far, I don't haven't been able to make a folder on our computer.
O.K., I'd like some suggestions regarding simple ways to upgrade my computer skills, and easy to use editing programs.
Thanks!
This is no laughing matter to me: To begin with, I... (show quote)


So let me try this again.

So without knowing everything you have and what you don't like and what you have problems with.

Luminar Neo has a great many AI features that all work well.

Since you cannot make a folder on your computer, the only folder you will work with is Pictures, everything will be installed there. All pictures from your camera will be there. You will have millions of pictures there and when that drives you crazy, you will learn in Neo how to right click the pictures folder, and create new subfolder like portrait or landscape. But not until you are ready.

There 3 tabs at the top, catalog, there will be only one folder, pictures click the image you want to edit. The next tab at the to is presets. You will not have to edit your pictures, you can use presets. Choose from portrait type or landscape, night, big city, experimental. Click and you are done.

If you want to edit your photos, the 3rd choice is edit. You can edit your photos in develop and get all the adobe type features like.

Under every adjustment is Mask AI. You click on it it will make a number of different masks. It will find sky, mountains, water, buildings, foreground, natural terrain, streets, people, animal and so on. You will be able to use filters or enhancements you like to one, two or multiple mask areas as many times as you like adding the area or subtracting the area.

If you don't want to do that because it is too complicated, you can use enhance AI which will automatically figure it all out and adjust only the areas that should be adjusted. You can use Structure AI to do the same with structure.

If you want to experiment with layers, you can use Sky AI and it will replace the sky with one you choose from a collection (you can buy more) or one of your own skys.

If you take pictures, portrait AI will blur the background, remove the background and you can replace it with something else. It will smooth the persons skin, the AI will find the mouth and eyes and not blur or smooth those and make your subject look great. The AI will also allow you to slim the fact and it will find the body and allow you to make fat people look thin or thinner.

Landscape will take your landscapes and make them look like golden hour, dehaze or enhance the foliage.

Relight AI will allow you to make your subject brighter if they are dark because you shot into the sun. Or it will darken the background based on a depth map that you can control. This is ai and will figure out where your subject and background are.

Atmosphere will allow you to add fog, it is ai so will add it in the right spots

You have all the cool things, Sunrays that are AI and put them between branches with shadows, Glow, mystical, mood, dramatic are all their to add mood to your image.

This software works with JPG but you get more AI features if you use raw images.

All AI all easy, if you can't figure this one out. Go back to Picasa or try another hobby. Luminar Neo is as easy as it gets there are many people who make videos showing you how to use the software.

One more thing. This software company is based in Ukraine. The main office is in Kiev. Tell your wife she will be helping Ukrainians if she buys this software for you if you need some leverage.

Jim Nix videos are great and easy to learn https://youtu.be/4UdLniMZk4o
Jim Nix https://youtu.be/N3fQuaOHnrQ

Anthony Turnham has some great videos https://youtu.be/cctDC6SHGVk

Pixelimperfect is a photoshop guy and he shows more advanced things maybe not for you but show basics as well. https://youtu.be/4UdLniMZk4o

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Jun 23, 2022 23:25:18   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
r1ch wrote:
So let me try this again.

So without knowing everything you have and what you don't like and what you have problems with.

Luminar Neo has a great many AI features that all work well.

Since you cannot make a folder on your computer, the only folder you will work with is Pictures, everything will be installed there. All pictures from your camera will be there. You will have millions of pictures there and when that drives you crazy, you will learn in Neo how to right click the pictures folder, and create new subfolder like portrait or landscape. But not until you are ready.

There 3 tabs at the top, catalog, there will be only one folder, pictures click the image you want to edit. The next tab at the to is presets. You will not have to edit your pictures, you can use presets. Choose from portrait type or landscape, night, big city, experimental. Click and you are done.

If you want to edit your photos, the 3rd choice is edit. You can edit your photos in develop and get all the adobe type features like.

Under every adjustment is Mask AI. You click on it it will make a number of different masks. It will find sky, mountains, water, buildings, foreground, natural terrain, streets, people, animal and so on. You will be able to use filters or enhancements you like to one, two or multiple mask areas as many times as you like adding the area or subtracting the area.

If you don't want to do that because it is too complicated, you can use enhance AI which will automatically figure it all out and adjust only the areas that should be adjusted. You can use Structure AI to do the same with structure.

If you want to experiment with layers, you can use Sky AI and it will replace the sky with one you choose from a collection (you can buy more) or one of your own skys.

If you take pictures, portrait AI will blur the background, remove the background and you can replace it with something else. It will smooth the persons skin, the AI will find the mouth and eyes and not blur or smooth those and make your subject look great. The AI will also allow you to slim the fact and it will find the body and allow you to make fat people look thin or thinner.

Landscape will take your landscapes and make them look like golden hour, dehaze or enhance the foliage.

Relight AI will allow you to make your subject brighter if they are dark because you shot into the sun. Or it will darken the background based on a depth map that you can control. This is ai and will figure out where your subject and background are.

Atmosphere will allow you to add fog, it is ai so will add it in the right spots

You have all the cool things, Sunrays that are AI and put them between branches with shadows, Glow, mystical, mood, dramatic are all their to add mood to your image.

This software works with JPG but you get more AI features if you use raw images.

All AI all easy, if you can't figure this one out. Go back to Picasa or try another hobby. Luminar Neo is as easy as it gets there are many people who make videos showing you how to use the software.

One more thing. This software company is based in Ukraine. The main office is in Kiev. Tell your wife she will be helping Ukrainians if she buys this software for you if you need some leverage.

Jim Nix videos are great and easy to learn https://youtu.be/4UdLniMZk4o
Jim Nix https://youtu.be/N3fQuaOHnrQ

Anthony Turnham has some great videos https://youtu.be/cctDC6SHGVk

Pixelimperfect is a photoshop guy and he shows more advanced things maybe not for you but show basics as well. https://youtu.be/4UdLniMZk4o
So let me try this again. br br So without knowin... (show quote)


Okay, Richie, I've been trying to ignore you, but since you erroneously responded to my post and not the OP as you intended, I'll give you a short response. You'd want Paul to be hung at dawn for his abrasiveness (in your imagination) and then turn around and tell the OP to get another hobby? BTW, Grammarly is a great spell checker and there's a free version. You can learn all about pseudo-intellectuals from Google... they're usually the folks who call others pseudo-intellectuals. While you're there, look up ad-homonym attacks.

I still say Photoworks would be a good solution for the OP, but surprise, I agree with you on Luminar. I would refer the OP to a video from Peter Mckinnon that goes into very little detail but explains why he might want it... also, Mckinnon's video includes a 15% discount in the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROz0ATVoQ4

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Jun 23, 2022 23:30:14   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
It appears flyboy has flown the coop. No surprise, I think. flyboy61, if you are still reading, I would ask, what camera 'system' do you use? Oftentimes, the camera manufacturer also supplies an editing program. For example, Nikon supplies NXStudio. Canon, Digital Photo Professional.

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Jun 23, 2022 23:45:23   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
sodapop wrote:
Some people do not recognize that those comments are tongue in cheek and/or sarcastic is a light way. I truly feel sorry for folks who do not recognize nor or enjoy humor. They are missing the joys and stress relief they provide.



So true!!! Paul's occasional "off the cuff" comments are one of the reasons at least some of us really like him. As my wife has learned, I tend to see humor in many things, some not picked up on by all, and I appreciate humor as observed by others. This especially comes into play with humor which may be plays on words, dry, ironic or satirical. And some things may be just plain "funny". I always have believed that a QUICK and relevant expression of humor is a sign of intelligence! And (just maybe) that should be all for today's exposition!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jun 24, 2022 16:01:16   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Alas, we never heard back from the OP about the list of software titles they've spent $$$ to obtain. That requested list was a real and actionable idea, possibly leading to more responses to the thread. Such as:

a) A ranking of the relative complexity of each title.

b) A ranking of the relative power of each title.

c) A proposed match of each title to the broad spectrum of editing ideas listed by the OP.

d) Identification of written training materials specific to each title.

e) Identification of utube titles / authors addressing individual edit topics and / or each software title.

But, after expressing their problem, there was no follow-up by the OP as needed by the UHH community to provide actionable help beyond the typical and the not very helpful (nor free) idea of continuing the failed process of just buying more software.

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