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Jun 20, 2022 10:18:54   #
philo Loc: philo, ca
 
If you are using a swiss quick release plate try a longer one. You may find a better balance point.

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Jun 20, 2022 11:21:03   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 

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Jun 20, 2022 11:21:35   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 

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Jun 20, 2022 13:07:00   #
photoman43
 
A better quality used ballhead is one suggestion.

Another is to purchase used a Nikon PN-11 (extension) tube that can be mounted to a tripod or a ballhead. Once mounted, the balance point gets shifted which will help reduce or eliminate the "drift." Since it functions like a tripod collar mount it allows for shifting between vertical and horizontal a big benefit. Electronic info gets transferred to your camera, but not AF. Focus will have to be done manually. I use mine with arca swiss plate so it is easy to mount to my ballhead.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/37859-REG/Nikon_2647_PN_11_Extension_Tube.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlZ3DmsG8-AIVVx-tBh1hQAMjEAAYASAAEgI3mfD_BwE

https://www.ebay.com/p/1906218950?norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-153677-346401-4&mkcid=2&keyword=&crlp=560045938071_&MT_ID=&geo_id=&rlsatarget=dsa-19959388920&adpos=&device=c&mktype=&loc=9027599&poi=&abcId=&cmpgn=15214202782&sitelnk=&adgroupid=128195422263&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlZ3DmsG8-AIVVx-tBh1hQAMjEAMYASAAEgIQDfD_BwE

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Jun 20, 2022 13:49:04   #
User ID
 
robertjerl wrote:
I used a 3 way geared head. My Manfrotto is rated to hold 4kilos/8.8lbs, the current price is just under $200 direct from Manfrotto. They do make much heavier geared heads.

The gears don't slip like heads that depend on friction to hold the position.

https://www.manfrotto.com/us-en/x-pro-3-way-tripod-head-with-retractable-levers-mhxpro-3w/


See attached pix.

These are not cheap, mine was a hundred and change, used. It wont budge. Its very finely geared and the override springs (bypassing the gears) require some muscle to use.

Ive got some doubts youll ever get away with using any of the low priced solutions that have been suggested.
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Jun 20, 2022 13:51:51   #
MJPerini
 
Tripod / head weight ratings are all calculated with the weight directly above the pivot point of the head.
As soon as you add an off balance load either from a lens, macro rail or both you are effectively applying a lever to the tripod/head assembly. If you try to compensate by over tightening the head it will result in damage and decreased holding ability.
If you do use a focusing rail, (generally a good idea for macro) try to end up with the apex of the tripod under the camera. Many macro shooters who use rails, also take advantage of secondary support---- small articulating arms that go between a tripod leg and the front of the rail - this adds lots of support for not a lot of money.
If you are handy you can make such things yourself.

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Jun 20, 2022 14:10:44   #
deerpark243 Loc: La Mirada, California, USA
 
Just Shoot Me wrote:
I ran into the same problem due to the forward weight of the lens. I made a make shift lens support. Just a piece of wood or any other material to support the front of the lens after you compose the shot. I know that it sounds hokey but it did the trick.
Ron



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Jun 20, 2022 14:11:09   #
deerpark243 Loc: La Mirada, California, USA
 
MJPerini wrote:
Tripod / head weight ratings are all calculated with the weight directly above the pivot point of the head.
As soon as you add an off balance load either from a lens, macro rail or both you are effectively applying a lever to the tripod/head assembly. If you try to compensate by over tightening the head it will result in damage and decreased holding ability.
If you do use a focusing rail, (generally a good idea for macro) try to end up with the apex of the tripod under the camera. Many macro shooters who use rails, also take advantage of secondary support---- small articulating arms that go between a tripod leg and the front of the rail - this adds lots of support for not a lot of money.
If you are handy you can make such things yourself.
Tripod / head weight ratings are all calculated wi... (show quote)



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Jun 20, 2022 14:12:18   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
deerpark243 wrote:
I have a Nikon Nikkor 105mm 2.8G Macro lens I use more than any other lens. I have a light cube I shoot into for small objects. I have a Giottos MH 1000 ball head with a Nikon D810 & a D3 but every time I go to compose the shot it drifts out of composition just enough that it ruins the shot and fixed heads are worse, and I'm talking about a 30-degree angle. I have to guestamate where it is going to settle in the composition multiple times before I get the shot where I want it. I know the more expensive the ball head the less drift I get but I can't afford a $500.00 head. and I quit trying with the D3 because it is a tank. Any suggestions for it to stop drifting?
I have a Nikon Nikkor 105mm 2.8G Macro lens I use ... (show quote)


For that type of photography I would suggest switching to a geared head. Those can be quite expensive, too. But one of the most affordable of those is the Benro GD3WH 3-Way Geared Head: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1410665-REG/benro_gd3wh_3_way_geared_head.html

This type of head allows reasonably precise adjustments and can be pretty securely locked to prevent the "drift" you're seeing from the ballhead.

Do a search for reviews of the Benro head. Not everyone is happy with it. On the other hand, a lot of other people think it's great!

The Benro appears to be the least expensive "true" geared head: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/ci/140/N/4075788769?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_head-type_1544%3Ageared-heads

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Jun 20, 2022 14:18:52   #
deerpark243 Loc: La Mirada, California, USA
 
User ID wrote:
See attached pix.

These are not cheap, mine was a hundred and change, used. It wont budge. Its very finely geared and the override springs (bypassing the gears) require some muscle to use.

Ive got some doubts youll ever get away with using any of the low priced solutions that have been suggested.
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I I just bought the X-Pro 3 way yesterday on eBay for 144.99, which normally run $200.00. It seems like it's going to do the trick. It's similar to the one you showed me.
Thank you

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Jun 20, 2022 14:20:26   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
These are not pretty and quite rudimentary in design, but they work and do not drift.

You may be able to find these older models of Manfrotto heads on the used market at reasonable prices. I don't know for sure if the current models are as sturdy. It may be wise to check them out as well.

In the attached image there are 2 older models- the heavy-duty ball head and the one-handed trigger ball head. Both have these controls. The larger one could accommodate a 4x5 press or view camera.

As you can see in the picture, the rater's large locking lever provides ample leverage and looks the ball in place even with large lenses. A 105 macro would not be a difficult load.

I have never had a camera drift or lunge forward at any angle.

In macro work, drift will cause difficulties with your composition and will play havoc with focus too!

Of course, yo tripod would need to be sturdy enough to hand the additional load. If the tripod is not sturdy and stable, even the best head will be ineffective.

The more expensive brands such as Arca Swiss are excellent, have superior finishing and are well suited for more precose panoramic work- the are strong as well but they are more costly.





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Jun 20, 2022 14:26:56   #
deerpark243 Loc: La Mirada, California, USA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
These are not pretty and quite rudimentary in design, but they work and do not drift.

You may be able to find these older models of Manfrotto heads on the used market at reasonable prices. I don't know for sure if the current models are as sturdy. It may be wise to check them out as well.
Thank you, Mr. Shapiro, your knowledge a plus in this craft.

In the attached image there are 2 older models- the heavy-duty ball head and the one-handed trigger ball head. Both have these controls. The larger one could accommodate a 4x5 press or view camera.

As you can see in the picture, the rater's large locking lever provides ample leverage and looks the ball in place even with large lenses. A 105 macro would not be a difficult load.

I have never had a camera drift or lunge forward at any angle.

In macro work, drift will cause difficulties with your composition and will play havoc with focus too!

Of course, yo tripod would need to be sturdy enough to hand the additional load. If the tripod is not sturdy and stable, even the best head will be ineffective.

The more expensive brands such as Arca Swiss are excellent, have superior finishing and are well suited for more precose panoramic work- the are strong as well but they are more costly.
These are not pretty and quite rudimentary in desi... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2022 14:29:04   #
deerpark243 Loc: La Mirada, California, USA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
These are not pretty and quite rudimentary in design, but they work and do not drift.

You may be able to find these older models of Manfrotto heads on the used market at reasonable prices. I don't know for sure if the current models are as sturdy. It may be wise to check them out as well.
I don't know if the reply was sent, but your opinion means a lot in this craft.

In the attached image there are 2 older models- the heavy-duty ball head and the one-handed trigger ball head. Both have these controls. The larger one could accommodate a 4x5 press or view camera.

As you can see in the picture, the rater's large locking lever provides ample leverage and looks the ball in place even with large lenses. A 105 macro would not be a difficult load.

I have never had a camera drift or lunge forward at any angle.

In macro work, drift will cause difficulties with your composition and will play havoc with focus too!

Of course, yo tripod would need to be sturdy enough to hand the additional load. If the tripod is not sturdy and stable, even the best head will be ineffective.

The more expensive brands such as Arca Swiss are excellent, have superior finishing and are well suited for more precose panoramic work- the are strong as well but they are more costly.
These are not pretty and quite rudimentary in desi... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2022 14:49:47   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
chrissybabe wrote:
You could try something like this to hold everything steady.


There you go.

Deerpark243, why are you using a ball head alone for Macro work? Buy the rails, that will resolve the issue.

And FYI there are macro forums here. People there can give you more specific advice about macro setups.

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Jun 20, 2022 15:17:32   #
Artcameraman Loc: Springfield NH
 
It's all about balance. You think you have problems I still use a bellows with my 100mm Canon macro lens and I have to counterbalance it so it doesn't drift. Some day I'll get off my ass and go down into the workshop and make a suitable plate out of aluminum and move the fulcrum point and all will be right in this world.

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