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Jun 18, 2022 10:51:41   #
NickGee Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
HamB wrote:
Could someone explain "oil industry subsidies" to me...

I have looked through the annual financial statements of several oil producers and cannot find the "subsidies" line item


re. 2019: https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs

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Jun 18, 2022 10:52:27   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
nimbushopper wrote:
Yeah, it seems like if you can somewhere in a vehicle, it's already ruined!


Yeah, the park is 2.2 million acres and that 300 or so miles of paved roads really permeates the area.

The park is over 60 miles north to south and over 50 east to west. The vast majority of visitors do not lose sight of the road if they even leave their car to gander or take a pic.

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Jun 18, 2022 11:03:58   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
If Congress doesn't provide emergency funding for Yellowstone, I know my previous posts are only wishful thinking, it will mean cutbacks on personnel and services for all the other 422 Parks in the system which are already under funded and under staffed
If Congress doesn't provide emergency funding for ... (show quote)


Where did you obtain that budget information?

BTW, the road from the north entrance to Cooke City must be maintained year round.

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Jun 18, 2022 11:32:12   #
bodiebill
 
Wise investors will benefit.
Better than increased taxes which the government will waste.
Who caused the problem?
His name is "Brandon" closing down the Keystone Pipeline and declaring war on the fossil fuel industry.
O C Cortez has proposed placing big fans in front of the windmills!
Just buy an electric car and watch the price of electricity soar.

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Jun 18, 2022 11:37:07   #
bodiebill
 
It used to be called "depletion allowance" as the oil/gas fields were drained. That encouraged exploring for new discoveries.
Are solar and wind farms eligible for subsidies?

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Jun 18, 2022 11:38:13   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
bodiebill wrote:
Wise investors will benefit.
Better than increased taxes which the government will waste.
Who caused the problem?
His name is "Brandon" closing down the Keystone Pipeline and declaring war on the fossil fuel industry.
O C Cortez has proposed placing big fans in front of the windmills!
Just buy an electric car and watch the price of electricity soar.


This is not the Attic and politics are not welcome.

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Jun 18, 2022 12:09:12   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
One post mentioned that the NPS gets $2.76B in federal funding, while the Department of Defense gets $750+ million. Think what a small transfer of $5-10 B could do for our national parks. The DOD would barely miss it, or maybe the bonuses of the Militray complex CEOs would miss it a little.

I would like to see a new system at Yellowstone that reduces the number of cars, adds a good bus/tram transportation system and reduce the overall impact on the park.

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Jun 18, 2022 12:22:48   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I fail to see the concern about the "destruction" in Yellowstone NP. Floods, like fires and earthquakes are part what shapes the Yellowstone eco system. If destruction means to the infrastructure, like roads, bridges and structures I feel no loss and, personally, I would prefer to not see them rebuilt. Allow one 2 lane road between West Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park. Provide trail head parking along this route. No motorized vehicles, private or NPS would be allowed off road for any reason.

Put large parking lots where there are now entrances and let the National Park Service Rangers do what they should be doing--Range. Lead Day Hikes, Week or longer back packing trips into the back country. Encourage Contractors conduct weeks long back country excursions using horses and mules. Encourage non guided back pack trips since there is no better way to learn back country skills than by applying them.
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If you only have the road you suggest, then you might be missing some of the best parts of Yellowstone.

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Jun 18, 2022 14:57:15   #
Zooman 1
 
I think the bears would enjoy more people, un-guided in the back country of Yellowstone.

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Jun 18, 2022 15:04:52   #
smiller999 Loc: Corpus Christi
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I fail to see the concern about the "destruction" in Yellowstone NP. Floods, like fires and earthquakes are part what shapes the Yellowstone eco system. If destruction means to the infrastructure, like roads, bridges and structures I feel no loss and, personally, I would prefer to not see them rebuilt. Allow one 2 lane road between West Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park. Provide trail head parking along this route. No motorized vehicles, private or NPS would be allowed off road for any reason...
I fail to see the concern about the "destruct... (show quote)


This is essentially the model used in Denali NP. One road in. But in that case, private vehicles are not even allowed past the first couple of miles. You have to get on a bus. The reason for this: the park is for the protection of the wildlife and environment, and there is only minimal accomodation for people. While frustrating for those who want a more convenient way to access things, note that the wildlife in Denali is thriving, in Yellowstone, not so much. And while I personally would like better access, I fully agree with the approach, and believe it should be taken at all the overcrowded parks.

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Jun 18, 2022 15:09:44   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
smiller999 wrote:
This is essentially the model used in Denali NP. One road in. But in that case, private vehicles are not even allowed past the first couple of miles. You have to get on a bus. The reason for this: the park is for the protection of the wildlife and environment, and there is only minimal accomodation for people. While frustrating for those who want a more convenient way to access things, note that the wildlife in Denali is thriving, in Yellowstone, not so much. And while I personally would like better access, I fully agree with the approach, and believe it should be taken at all the overcrowded parks.
This is essentially the model used in Denali NP. O... (show quote)


Just curious as to which species are not thriving in Yellowstone for reasons other than climate change?

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Jun 18, 2022 15:17:53   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
junglejim1949 wrote:



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Jun 18, 2022 15:19:41   #
bodiebill
 
DaveO wrote:
This is not the Attic and politics are not welcome.


Can you refute any of my factual statements?

Why do your "type" hide behind "politics", racisms". etc. when you don't like to hear "facts" that disagree with your viewpoint.

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Jun 18, 2022 15:21:35   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
DaveO wrote:
Where did you obtain that budget information?

BTW, the road from the north entrance to Cooke City must be maintained year round.


National Park Service. That is the one road I would leave in use

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Jun 18, 2022 15:27:29   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The history of those who were here first vs. those who invaded is all we need to know. I read a fascinating book by Thoreau, written in the 1840's, about the Penobscot River area of Maine where I grew up. The destruction was already beginning.

I appreciate, value and highly agree with your assessment and suggestions, Jack. Just because we've pillaged most of this country's beauty and resources doesn't mean we can't stop now.


Thanks Linda, unfortunately I can't claim the original idea. Edward Abbey wrote "Desert Solitaire" in, I believe, 1966 suggesting the same idea for Yosemite National Park. I believe he was right then and I believe I am right now.

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