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Jun 17, 2022 01:11:12   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
I fail to see the concern about the "destruction" in Yellowstone NP. Floods, like fires and earthquakes are part what shapes the Yellowstone eco system. If destruction means to the infrastructure, like roads, bridges and structures I feel no loss and, personally, I would prefer to not see them rebuilt. Allow one 2 lane road between West Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park. Provide trail head parking along this route. No motorized vehicles, private or NPS would be allowed off road for any reason.

Put large parking lots where there are now entrances and let the National Park Service Rangers do what they should be doing--Range. Lead Day Hikes, Week or longer back packing trips into the back country. Encourage Contractors conduct weeks long back country excursions using horses and mules. Encourage non guided back pack trips since there is no better way to learn back country skills than by applying them.

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Jun 17, 2022 01:24:13   #
Mustanger Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon USA
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
I fail to see the concern about the "destruction" in Yellowstone NP. Floods, like fires and earthquakes are part what shapes the Yellowstone eco system. If destruction means to the infrastructure, like roads, bridges and structures I feel no loss and, personally, I would prefer to not see them rebuilt. Allow one 2 lane road between West Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park. Provide trail head parking along this route. No motorized vehicles, private or NPS would be allowed off road for any reason.

Put large parking lots where there are now entrances and let the National Park Service Rangers do what they should be doing--Range. Lead Day Hikes, Week or longer back packing trips into the back country. Encourage Contractors conduct weeks long back country excursions using horses and mules. Encourage non guided back pack trips since there is no better way to learn back country skills than by applying them.
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Curmudgeon...when I was younger I thought like you but now at 79 (birthday in a week) but your plan would mean I would never see the park close up ever again. Even if I could my wife cannot....I do not accept the fact that you want me to leave her behind do you? Just my thoughts...Walt

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Jun 17, 2022 01:49:17   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Mustanger wrote:
Curmudgeon...when I was younger I thought like you but now at 79 (birthday in a week) but your plan would mean I would never see the park close up ever again. Even if I could my wife cannot....I do not accept the fact that you want me to leave her behind do you? Just my thoughts...Walt


Hi Walt,

I anticipated this argument. It am 79 also and I saw Yellowstone when I was much younger and the Park was totally different than it is now. I understand that you and I, and others like us would never experience Yellowstone as we did but I would to like give youngsters the opportunity, if they have the desire, to experience the real Yellowstone.

I have met too many people over my lifetime who tell me "Oh yeah, I've seen Yellowstone. We spent a WHOLE day there back in 20.." They are the ones who harass the wildlife, litter the roads and totally destroy the experience, however shallow it is, for others.

This is my favorite sigh from Yellowstone National Park taken in 2011. I think that says it all

Jack


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Jun 17, 2022 02:49:33   #
paulrph1 Loc: Washington, Utah
 
[quote=Curmudgeon]I fail to see the concern about the "destruction" in Yellowstone NP. Floods, like fires and earthquakes are part what shapes the Yellowstone eco system. If destruction means to the infrastructure, like roads, bridges and structures I feel no loss and, personally, I would prefer to not see them rebuilt. Allow one 2 lane road between West Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park. Provide trail head parking along this route. No motorized vehicles, private or NPS would be allowed off road for any reason.

Put large parking lots where there are now entrances and let the National Park Service Rangers do what they should be doing--Range. Lead Day Hikes, Week or longer back packing trips into the back country. Encourage Contractors conduct weeks long back country excursions using horses and mules. Encourage non guided back pack trips since there is no better way to learn back country skills than by applying them.[/quote
You do realize how big that park actually is. It is not a small park like Zion, where a day trip will satisfy.

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Jun 17, 2022 05:29:48   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Just think how much money we could save without supporting our park systems, state and federal! We could save even more if we dropped FEMA, flood/fire control and re-build assistance, etc…let nature take its course.

Read the inscription over the Roosevelt Arch.

We all have are opinions.

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Jun 17, 2022 08:31:51   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
The history of those who were here first vs. those who invaded is all we need to know. I read a fascinating book by Thoreau, written in the 1840's, about the Penobscot River area of Maine where I grew up. The destruction was already beginning.

I appreciate, value and highly agree with your assessment and suggestions, Jack. Just because we've pillaged most of this country's beauty and resources doesn't mean we can't stop now.

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Jun 17, 2022 14:34:33   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
[quote=paulrph1][quote=Curmudgeon]I fail to see the concern about the "destruction" in Yellowstone NP. Floods, like fires and earthquakes are part what shapes the Yellowstone eco system. If destruction means to the infrastructure, like roads, bridges and structures I feel no loss and, personally, I would prefer to not see them rebuilt. Allow one 2 lane road between West Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park. Provide trail head parking along this route. No motorized vehicles, private or NPS would be allowed off road for any reason.

Put large parking lots where there are now entrances and let the National Park Service Rangers do what they should be doing--Range. Lead Day Hikes, Week or longer back packing trips into the back country. Encourage Contractors conduct weeks long back country excursions using horses and mules. Encourage non guided back pack trips since there is no better way to learn back country skills than by applying them.[/quote
You do realize how big that park actually is. It is not a small park like Zion, where a day trip will satisfy.[/quote]

Yes, I know how big Yellowstone NP is, 3,472 sq miles or 2,221,766 acres. There are 370 miles of paved roads in the Park dividing it into 7 large districts. Say you want to see Old Faithful, 30 miles from the west entrance on existing roads or shorter and much more scenic going cross country. Easy four day hike in and out allowing one full day to linger at the Geyser or fish the Fire Hole river, 3 days on horseback.

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Jun 18, 2022 01:44:32   #
NickGee Loc: Portland, OR
 
DaveO wrote:
Just think how much money we could save without supporting our park systems, state and federal! We could save even more if we dropped FEMA, flood/fire control and re-build assistance, etc…let nature take its course.

Read the inscription over the Roosevelt Arch.

We all have are opinions.


For the record, the federal contribution to the National Park Service is $2.76 billion (2022). For comparison, government subsidies for the oil industry (who, by the way, are reaping record profits during the "gas crisis" while picking our pockets) is $20.5 billion (again, 2022). You do the math.

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Jun 18, 2022 01:59:19   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
NickGee wrote:
For the record, the federal contribution to the National Park Service is $2.76 billion (2022). For comparison, government subsidies for the oil industry (who, by the way, are reaping record profits during the "gas crisis" while picking our pockets) is $20.5 billion (again, 2022). You do the math.


If Congress doesn't provide emergency funding for Yellowstone, I know my previous posts are only wishful thinking, it will mean cutbacks on personnel and services for all the other 422 Parks in the system which are already under funded and under staffed

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Jun 18, 2022 06:03:46   #
HamB
 
NickGee wrote:
For the record, the federal contribution to the National Park Service is $2.76 billion (2022). For comparison, government subsidies for the oil industry (who, by the way, are reaping record profits during the "gas crisis" while picking our pockets) is $20.5 billion (again, 2022). You do the math.


Could someone explain "oil industry subsidies" to me...

I have looked through the annual financial statements of several oil producers and cannot find the "subsidies" line item

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Jun 18, 2022 06:33:27   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Hi Walt,

I anticipated this argument. It am 79 also and I saw Yellowstone when I was much younger and the Park was totally different than it is now. I understand that you and I, and others like us would never experience Yellowstone as we did but I would to like give youngsters the opportunity, if they have the desire, to experience the real Yellowstone.

I have met too many people over my lifetime who tell me "Oh yeah, I've seen Yellowstone. We spent a WHOLE day there back in 20.." They are the ones who harass the wildlife, litter the roads and totally destroy the experience, however shallow it is, for others.

This is my favorite sigh from Yellowstone National Park taken in 2011. I think that says it all

Jack
Hi Walt, br br I anticipated this argument. It am... (show quote)



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Jun 18, 2022 08:03:20   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Yeah, it seems like if you can somewhere in a vehicle, it's already ruined!

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Jun 18, 2022 08:51:06   #
317tman Loc: Indianapolis, In
 
Probably better off keeping people on the roads as it is now. Hard to imagine how much damage would be caused if everyone wandered all iver

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Jun 18, 2022 09:18:29   #
rboharley
 
HamB wrote:
Could someone explain "oil industry subsidies" to me...

I have looked through the annual financial statements of several oil producers and cannot find the "subsidies" line item


https://www.heritage.org/environment/report/whats-oil-subsidy

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Jun 18, 2022 10:49:33   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
NickGee wrote:
For the record, the federal contribution to the National Park Service is $2.76 billion (2022). For comparison, government subsidies for the oil industry (who, by the way, are reaping record profits during the "gas crisis" while picking our pockets) is $20.5 billion (again, 2022). You do the math.


The last administration was trying to cut the park budgets, but key folks in Montana pushed through an increase.

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