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Jun 11, 2022 23:03:13   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
TriX wrote:
It is your imperative?? Do you realize how arrogant and self important that sounds? You have decided on your own that it is your duty to warn people about warranty transfers or pricing as if the UHH members that would buy such a camera don’t know the price or the warranty conditions? Who exactly appointed you to this role? You’ve been here a month, and have decided to appoint yourself. Amazing hubris and rudeness to the OP. This isn’t about free speech, this is about consideration for other members, in this case, the seller.

And despite your “internet-informed” comments, Nikon makes fine cameras, and there are many thousands of Nikon professional and users on this forum that agree. Every camera company, in fact every company, has issues - it’s how they deal with them that shows their value, and in that respect, Nikon is in the top tier of camera manufacturers. BUT, if you want to start a discussion on Nikon reliability, the buy/sell/trade forum is NOT the place to start it - I suggest you read all the appropriate forum rules so you’ll know the proper place for those types of comments. I see that a good percentage of your posts are in the attic. Perhaps you have yet to realize that behavior and comportment there are not appropriate in all the other sections.
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Jun 11, 2022 23:04:11   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mikeroetex wrote:
Not sure who died and appointed you God, but it’s obvious you have replaced some pompous ass instead.
It is not your duty to do anything of the sort you proclaim in a classified sales section. You are not remiss, just refutable. Anyone considering the purchase of a flagship camera knows enough about Nikon warranties and quality of production.
Your just another self righteous Canon proselyte who thinks he is born to save the world.
Seriously, shut up and stick to what you know, not what you’ve read.
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You beat me to it. I was about to say pretty much the exact same thing.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

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Jun 11, 2022 23:05:35   #
User ID
 
MT Shooter wrote:
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Damn, this is hilarious!!!!


The seller clearly needs to start a fresh new thread.

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Jun 11, 2022 23:06:37   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
r1ch wrote:
Not God.. Free speech.

Like I said. I have owned a D100, but also a N90s film. So have experience. But, yes I moved to Canon for a number of reasons. Quality issues were one of them and the lack of quality issues with the Canons I owned.

I posted what I know, and backed it up with what I have read. But my main thrust was to educate people that you should not pay retail for a camera that has no warranty.


Try moving up to the modern world sometime.
The more you post, the more rediculous and arrogant you sound!!!
I can't stand these newbies who join the group and think they are gods gift!!!! Sounds like too much Colorado wacky weed to me!!🤣🤣🤣

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Jun 11, 2022 23:38:03   #
John7199 Loc: Eastern Mass.
 
TriX wrote:
All, I’ll repeat a comment I’ve made in this section before: if you’re not interested in buying an item, kindly stay out of the transaction and refrain from comments concerning the pricing - it’s really none of your business and is definitely unappreciated by the seller. This is a classified ad section, not a section for general comments about how pricing should be determined, how much the item should sell for, where you can buy it cheaper, how the seller should conduct THEIR business, or how they should price THEIR property. I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of UHH members are adults, capable of checking prices and making monetary decisions on their own without the assistance of self appointed guardians of THEIR spending. This forum is for sellers and BUYERS, not kibitzers. If the item is priced incorrectly, the market will communicate that to the seller very clearly, and if you feel that you have information that the seller really needs to know, just PM them.
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RIGHT ON!

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Jun 12, 2022 00:39:29   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
TriX wrote:
I had hoped all those who apparently continue to feel the compulsion to comment might have read my post above and been able to see themselves in the seller’s position and realize how unwelcome and wrong-headed these comments about the price of the advertised merchandise are. I had hoped you might see how YOU would feel in the same situation, but apparently not. Try to imagine this: you’re selling your house. It’s been on the market for awhile and it has been shown dozens of times. You finally have an interested potential buyer, and in the middle of the transaction, a stranger, with no interest in buying your house, drops in the middle of your conversation and announces that there is a much better deal down the street. How would you feel?

Now to the specifics, and then I’m done with this rudeness, and I hope the seller, as suggested, takes down his offer (in disgust) and takes it to another’s forum such as Fred Miranda.

1) to the comment about the taxes, you missed the point. The seller PAID list price for the camera PLUS the sales tax (which a buyer from him would not have to pay), so he has probably $5900 invested in the camera.

2) if you buy it, you save ~$300 over the new price IF you could buy one off the shelf, which you can’t. They are back ordered, so you may get one in 4-6 months. You do lose the new warranty, so it’s up to you to assess if getting an essentially new body that much sooner is worth the loss of the warranty and what the chances of a failure in the warranty period are.

3) as to the comment about new cars losing 30% in value when they are driven off the lot. First, that % isn’t true and never has been - just one of those “conventional wisdom” stories. Yes, it does become a used car after it’s purchased, but a 40K car doesn’t lose 12K the same day. In fact, in today’s market, the owner may be able to sell it for MSRP because of the limited supply. For hard to get cars, they are selling for MORE than new MSRP. Want to convince yourself of this? Just watch a few Mecum auto auctions. And it certainly doesn’t apply to cameras.

4. If you never pay more than 50% of the new price for used cameras/lenses, the you aren’t buying many recent cameras and lenses.

5. On eBay, hard to find items are routinely selling for above list. Surprise, surprise. - it’s called speculation or profiteering on a rare item. You may not like it, but (a) that is not what the seller is doing - he’s trying to recoup $5600 (which for all I know may be negotiable) on a $5900 investment (camera+tax) and (b) the owner is free to ask anything they like - you are not required to buy it, consider it or comment on it.

6. As to excoriating the seller for not guessing beforehand whether he’d like the camera, instead ask yourself if you’ve EVER bought something in your life and decided you didn’t like it? EVER?

7. If you want to have a discussion as to the correct price of a just opened Z9, the proper and courteous action would have been to start a new thread on the subject and keep your opinions out of the classifieds.

8. And finally, since not ONE of the comments is from an actual buyer, it’s none of your business what the seller asks - just move on.

End of rant and end of watching this intentionally trashed thread by a bunch of “lookee loos”
I had hoped all those who apparently continue to f... (show quote)


Very well said, TriX. People sometimes just can't keep their noses out of other people's business. Must be a missing chromosome (sp?). ---Michael

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Jun 13, 2022 14:27:20   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Try moving up to the modern world sometime.
The more you post, the more rediculous and arrogant you sound!!!
I can't stand these newbies who join the group and think they are gods gift!!!! Sounds like too much Colorado wacky weed to me!!🤣🤣🤣


The US is as modern as as a country gets. Saying Nikon has had quality issues in the past is not ridiculous, it is fact. And I owned them so I know.

I don't think I am Gods gift, I think I spread wisdom. I said people are not smart to pay full retail for a camera that has no warranty. You may disagree and that is your opinion. If you are willing to do that because you don't want to wait for one that has a warranty, that is called impatience and it is foolish in my opinion, that is fine, but if the poster is selling the camera because there is something wrong with it you are stuck.

Sounds like you are trying to squelch free speech in a modern country to me.

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Jun 13, 2022 14:38:14   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Try moving up to the modern world sometime.


I am not a newbe, I have been promoted by the board as a regualar.. just like you.

One more thing. Big sky montana is the most backward state in the union. The only good thing there is a big sky LOL

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Jun 13, 2022 14:38:50   #
jonyrot
 
@Rich I have sold on UHH before, I have always honest about any sale. To insinuate that there might be a reason for selling other than what I stated on the post listing is more a reflection of yourself than anything else.

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Jun 13, 2022 21:35:55   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
jonyrot wrote:
@Rich I have sold on UHH before, I have always honest about any sale. To insinuate that there might be a reason for selling other than what I stated on the post listing is more a reflection of yourself than anything else.


As noted, I have not been around as long as you have and nothing personal but I don't know you from Adam. You have owned a D800 with a battery grip so you know approximately what the weight and size of the z9 is. So you buy one and don't return it in the return policy and then try to sell it for full retail. Forgive me if I am suspicious.

But then again I have met several z9 owners while toting my r5 and 600 F4ii shooting birds. And when I asked them how do they love the AF, and I have been blown away by the unenthusiastic answer. Maybe there is no problem with the Z9 perhaps it just isn't as good a camera as it is hyped up to be. I don't know but my personal opinion when someone buys a camera, ruins the warrantee for someone else and asks full retail price, I find that a little insulting to the buyer. I will say to anyone buying a new camera without a warrantee for full list, buyer beware.

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Jun 14, 2022 00:55:00   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
r1ch wrote:
As noted, I have not been around as long as you have and nothing personal but I don't know you from Adam. You have owned a D800 with a battery grip so you know approximately what the weight and size of the z9 is. So you buy one and don't return it in the return policy and then try to sell it for full retail. Forgive me if I am suspicious.

But then again I have met several z9 owners while toting my r5 and 600 F4ii shooting birds. And when I asked them how do they love the AF, and I have been blown away by the unenthusiastic answer. Maybe there is no problem with the Z9 perhaps it just isn't as good a camera as it is hyped up to be. I don't know but my personal opinion when someone buys a camera, ruins the warrantee for someone else and asks full retail price, I find that a little insulting to the buyer. I will say to anyone buying a new camera without a warrantee for full list, buyer beware.
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Here is the point you don't seem to get. The Classified section is not a discussion forum like the Main Photography section. I don't think anyone would have objected if you wanted to go there and start a discussion on your own thread about the pros and cons of buying used gear. To jump in on somone elses ad offering with all your unwanted opinions when you have no intent to buy from the OP is rude at best and arrogant ignorance at worst. At the very least it is offensive to the members and in general, bad manners. If you want respect for your posts, you should start by respecting the sellers in this section.

EDIT: I received my Z9 last week. I will subsequently be selling the last of my DSLR gear and a Z7. Is it a might heavier than a typical Z camera? Yes. But the same weight as a D4 or D5. Could a time come when it is too heavy for me? Yes. Am I excited about the AF? Absolutely! It is the best I have used, but there is a learning curve. Do I care at all about R5's or A7RIV's? No. Do I begrudge anyone using them? No, because they are all excellent. I also don't care if a BMW pulls up next to me in my Cadillac at a stop light.

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Jun 14, 2022 09:26:51   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
TriX wrote:
It is your imperative?? Do you realize how arrogant and self important that sounds?


Yes, I misspelled prerogative badly and when I chose the correction, imperative was one of the choices and I did not not notice I chose that. So yes. That did sound quite arrogant. I was wondering what all the hoopla was about, that several people said I was being arrogant, I think someone even said pompous. I reread my post and seen why it got such a big response.

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Jun 14, 2022 09:33:01   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
mikeroetex wrote:
Here is the point you don't seem to get. \


I get it. And I would post my comment again (without the work imperative). Selling used gear with no warrantee at full retail would cause me to warn others whether they wanted the opinion or not. I am not going to defend my position again. It was everyone else giving their opinion on my opinion, if what you are syaing is true, they should have not shared there opinion either.

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Jun 15, 2022 10:48:38   #
mli1201 Loc: Lincoln Nebraska
 
The best price I've seen so far. I wish I had the money.....GLWS!

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Jun 16, 2022 11:46:41   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
I wish the ankle biters would just take a break and let Jonyrot sell his camera at the price he wants. For the most part, we have stopped wearing Pampers a long time ago and have graduated to big-boy underwear now and can make our own decision about it.
He is putting a slightly used but highly in-demand camera that is experiencing bottlenecks in production and order fulfillment. If you want to make a run at it; PM him. If not, keep your counsel to yourself.
I can think of worse things to pay a premium on.

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