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May 30, 2022 10:12:00   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
genocolo wrote:
Unfortunately, Memorial Day feels like it has become just another holiday for most Americans. Hearing “Happy Memorial Day” just doesn’t seem right.

Maybe “Have a thoughtful Memorial Day” or “Have a meaningful Memorial Day”.

What do you think is a proper respectful reference?

(Disclaimer: I did not take the attached photo, but when I saw it I was struck by its ability to make me think about Memorial Day and it’s real meaning.)


Sad but true. I’ve heard Memorial Day referred to as the unofficial first day of summer. Many people confuse Memorial Day with Veterans Day. I’m not saying there should not be cookouts and fun but at the same there should be an understanding of what Memorial Day is really all about.

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May 30, 2022 10:12:29   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Toment wrote:
Remember what they did, they didn’t want to, but they did it anyway…because they believed it was right..
God bless


Yes, many, many times. I have a great, great GF, a successful farmer from Ohio. He used his own money to fund the uniforms and weapons to lead volunteers as a Colonel in the Union Army. Many battles including the one where he was wounded and captured. He was held as a prisoner of war at the notorious Andersonville Camp in South Georgia. The Union was starving all of the South throughout the war. So, with little food for the people of the Confederacy, prisoners got even less. Somehow he lived until the end of the war and was released from Andersonville to return home to Ohio. He never fully recovered from the untreated wounds and malnourishment. But, he never complained about his service to his country.

And, my own grandfather served in the WWI, a 'doughboy' fighting the trench warfare of that time. He came home after breathing German "mustard gas" too many times. The cough, a lifetime remnant from the mustard gas, never went away. Beginning in my youth, almost all military that I have met are reluctant to talk about fighting in war time. But, he never complained about serving his country in the Great War.

My father served in WWII, as a fuselage gunner on a US Army Air Corps bomber. Of each squadron sent up, often less than half of the planes returned. I understand that bomber crews had to fly at least 12 missions to earn a rotation out of the war zone. - He said that bullets and explosive shrapnel from the ground flew through the bomber's unarmed shell as if it was a tin can. And he talked of all flight members being nervous when they were in the air. But, he never complained about serving his country. - After WWII, he worked as a civilian for the US Air Force, acquiring full aircraft systems until he retired.

I have the highest regard and respect for all who served and all who serve their country in war time. I regret the senseless wars our leaders have sometimes asked us all to participate in. But, our men and women still serve their country.

Today is a day to memorialize the active serving, the living and those who served and passed. You all have my respect and appreciation. Not just on this day.

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May 30, 2022 10:14:07   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Bubbee wrote:
Veteran's Day was originally Armistice Day, and my birthday, way back in 1931. It honored the vets of World War I.



Armistice Day to mark the end of, “The war to end all Wars”. But there have been so many subsequent wars that the name had to be changed to Memorial Day.

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May 30, 2022 10:54:54   #
Canisdirus
 
Mac wrote:

Armistice Day to mark the end of, “The war to end all Wars”. But there have been so many subsequent wars that the name had to be changed to Memorial Day.


No.

Armistice day was changed to Veterans Day.
Memorial day has always been Memorial day.

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May 30, 2022 10:55:47   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
And we honor prisoners of war who returned to serve our country in the Senate.

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May 30, 2022 11:20:58   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Canisdirus wrote:
No.

Armistice day was changed to Veterans Day.
Memorial day has always been Memorial day.


You are right, I was wrong. Sorry.

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May 30, 2022 11:25:16   #
Canisdirus
 
Mac wrote:
You are right, I was wrong. Sorry.


No worries...it does get confusing at times...

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May 30, 2022 11:29:40   #
FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Veterans day is on November 11th...and has always had that name...though the date of observance was changed in '68.
Memorial Day is separate from Vets day.

How do I observe it?
I certainly don't celebrate...there is nothing to celebrate.
At our house...it is a day of fasting...for the fallen have lost their appetite.
It is a day of staying home...for the dead do not travel.
It is a day of keeping still and silent...for the dead have no tongue.

No BBQ...no beer...no party.

Just observance and mindfulness for a day...a small sacrifice to honor the large sacrifice made by others.
Veterans day is on November 11th...and has always ... (show quote)


November 11 was originally Armistice Day - end of WWI. May 30 started out as Decoration Day - flags and flowers on graves of Civil War veterans.
Nowe, they’re all just an excuse to have a sale or cookout.

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May 30, 2022 11:31:49   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Wonderful. Also, thought provoking and accentuated by the memorial and its words.

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May 30, 2022 11:45:51   #
FreddB Loc: PA - Delaware County
 
Paul Diamond wrote:


Today is a day to memorialize the active serving, the living and those who served and passed. You all have my respect and appreciation. Not just on this day.


“Armed Forces Day is for those still in uniform.
Veterans’ Day is for those who have hung up their uniform.
Memorial Day is for those who were killed in their uniform.”

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May 30, 2022 17:37:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
genocolo wrote:
Unfortunately, Memorial Day feels like it has become just another holiday for most Americans. Hearing “Happy Memorial Day” just doesn’t seem right.

Maybe “Have a thoughtful Memorial Day” or “Have a meaningful Memorial Day”.

What do you think is a proper respectful reference?

(Disclaimer: I did not take the attached photo, but when I saw it I was struck by its ability to make me think about Memorial Day and it’s real meaning.)


Actually as a Vietnam Veteran myself I think they would want us to be "Happy" on this day. Protecting our nation and people so we could be happy is one of the main reasons they served and risked/bet their lives in the first place. They lost that bet, I won it and came home but everyone else and those born since get that chance to be happy because of them and others over the years our nation has been around.

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May 30, 2022 18:10:50   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
[quote=anotherview]Changing the name of the day from "Veterans Day" to "Memorial Day" shifted the character and significance of the day to a generalization of its purpose, of honoring war dead...


It was "Decoration Day" and started in the South just after the Civil War to remember their soldiers. But that first year a women's group in Georgia decorated the graves of all soldiers Union and Confederate. Following the spread of the knowledge of this several places all over the country adapted the idea and a couple of years later it became a national day for all who died in service on both sides, then came to be for all who died in service at any time in our history. The Union General and leader of the "Grand Army of the Republic" (GAR-a Civil War Veterans group) who led the movement to make it national picked May 30 because it was not the anniversary of any major battle and therefore not associated with any side winning or losing. A judge in the North wrote a poem "The Blue and the Gray" which was often used as part of the services on the day and many veteran's groups, North and South, used the day and the poem to urge everyone to "bury the hatchet" and give up any hatred or hard feelings towards each other.
Over the years as it came to be a day to honor all war dead (esp. after WWI) people changed the name to Memorial Day and in 1971 a 1968 law went into effect making it a national holiday with the "Memorial Day" name.

Veterans Day is in November and started as "Armistice Day" in 1919 to mark the end of fighting in WWI at 11AM on the 11th day of the 11th month in 1918 (time zone of the "Western Front" which was mostly in France). It became a holiday celebrated on Nov 11 in the 20's and 30's with the approval of FDR except for 1971 to 1975 when it was the 4th Sunday of October as per the 1968 law about Federal Holidays then President Ford changed it back to Nov 11. President Eisenhower changed the name from Armistice Day to Veterans Day in 1954.

Memorial Day honors all who died in service, Veterans Day honors all who served.

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May 31, 2022 07:17:55   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
I agree, there is nothing happy about the deaths of so many Americans who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

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May 31, 2022 07:20:52   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
robertjerl wrote:
Actually as a Vietnam Veteran myself I think they would want us to be "Happy" on this day. Protecting our nation and people so we could be happy is one of the main reasons they served and risked/bet their lives in the first place. They lost that bet, I won it and came home but everyone else and those born since get that chance to be happy because of them and others over the years our nation has been around.


Your logic is too twisted and callous for me. Most did not “bet” voluntarily.

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May 31, 2022 08:06:07   #
Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia
 
anotherview wrote:
Changing the name of the day from "Veterans Day" to "Memorial Day" shifted the character and significance of the day to a generalization of its purpose, of honoring war dead. The new name thus deflects from the stark reminder of the U.S. as a warring nation continuously at war somewhere on Earth.

If we needed a reminder, then we may look at the so-called defense budget as more than the total of the next 5 national military budgets together.

See here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/262742/countries-with-the-highest-military-spending/#:~:text=Worldwide%20leaders%20in%20military%20spending&text=As%20of%202019%2C%20the%20United,Arabia%2C%20Israel%2C%20and%20Russia.
Changing the name of the day from "Veterans D... (show quote)


That more than 5 times is a totally misleading statistic, and if you don't know why then shame on you.

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