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May 24, 2022 11:14:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, one has to wonder and ASK ....


The mount on both these RF lenses look like they're actually M-mount lenses repurposed as RF mount 'cropped' lens. Canon did much the same for the RF 600L, slapping the EF - RF adapter permanently onto EF lens.

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May 24, 2022 12:43:49   #
MDI Mainer
 
As far as I know, IBIS is included on the high-end Sony APS-C bodies (A6500 and A6600), but not the entry- and mid-range models.

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May 24, 2022 12:55:50   #
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CHG_CANON wrote:
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will create new mirrorless product tiers based on including this feature. With this morning's R7 / R10 announcements, we see maybe this theory in practice. In the upper tier EOS R7 (mirrorless evolution of the EOS 7D-series bodies), we see 32MP, 15 fps mechanical and 30 fps electronic, 2 card slots, and all the technology and weather resistance features of a premier sports / wildlife body with a cropped sensor.

In the EOS R10, we see a lot of advanced technology, including: 24MP, 15 fps mechanical and 23 fps electronic, 1 card slots, Eye-tracking AF. But, in this lighter weight and lower-priced modern technology marvel, we see the IBIS missing along with the mirror.

We saw something similar in Nikon's mirrorless cropped Z50, and the Z fc too. Use IS / VR lenses and you won't miss the camera's missing IBIS. But, if you're looking to consolidate all your lenses, including the legacy lenses back to the film-era, onto a single digital platform, this missing IBIS may remove some of the camera models from consideration.

These cameras from Canon and Nikon differ from Sony's approach where IBIS is a standard feature in all the mirrorless bodies, cropped and full-frame.
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will crea... (show quote)

Slight correction re: Sony and IBIS.

IBIS is not universal in the a6xxx line, only in the a7xxx line.

With the APSC models, IBIS is included ONLY in cameras specifically marked as featuring Sony's "Steady Shot Inside".
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Many legacy lenses lack OIS/IS/VR/VC so IBIS is very useful when adapting lenses.
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May 24, 2022 13:31:52   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
REF: Sony, going by Rockwell's comparison chart, in the A6### line (APS-C), the newer A6500 and A6600 have this feature, earlier models didn't. The full-frame models for A7xxx all show IBIS.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/compared-2016.htm#fullframe

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May 24, 2022 13:42:02   #
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CHG_CANON wrote:
REF: Sony, going by Rockwell's comparison chart, in the A6### line (APS-C), the newer A6500 and A6600 have this feature, earlier models didn't. The full-frame models for A7xxx all show IBIS.

Even among later a6xxx models, inclusion of IBIS cannot be assumed. The 6400 and 6100 are current examples.

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May 24, 2022 14:56:21   #
MDI Mainer
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
REF: Sony, going by Rockwell's comparison chart, in the A6### line (APS-C), the newer A6500 and A6600 have this feature, earlier models didn't. The full-frame models for A7xxx all show IBIS.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/compared-2016.htm#fullframe


It isn't chronological, at least for the APS-C models. The A6100 and A6600 were announced simultaneously. The former w/o, the latter with IBIS.

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May 24, 2022 15:02:34   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'd like to see more standardization. If IBIS is good, put it in all cameras. All cameras have autofocus now. I hate it when companies leave features out or add features just to play with prices. Sure, you can add special features to high end cameras, but if there is a standard feature that will benefit everyone, it should be in all cameras. Of course, then they would have to decide how to make the high end cameras better, but more MP and fps should cover that. And while we're at it, let's stop making crop sensor bodies. In SLR days, we didn't have 35mm cameras and 23mm cameras.
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Cropped sensor cameras produce excellent images, are less expensive than full frame and fill the needs of many photographers, myself being one. Why have cropped sensor cameras is equivalent to saying why have compact automobiles, make them all full size or why have four cylinder engines, make them all V8's. We have them because they fulfill the needs of many. It's that simple.

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May 24, 2022 18:38:12   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
AND, when you go Olympus, its a moot point on IBIS. Only question is WHAT lens will allow DUAL stabilization...

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May 24, 2022 18:48:18   #
Hip Coyote
 
MrBob wrote:
AND, when you go Olympus, its a moot point on IBIS. Only question is WHAT lens will allow DUAL stabilization...


Indeed! That 12-100 is quite nice. All evil geniuses (m42 users) like it!

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May 24, 2022 21:49:25   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I thought cropped sensors were done along with mirrors. Oddly no.


All of Fuji's X-trans sensor bodies have APS-C crop sensors. And how about the new OM1 MFT camera system? There is no reason to ditch crop sensors.

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May 25, 2022 05:19:09   #
BebuLamar
 
mwsilvers wrote:
All of Fuji's X-trans sensor bodies have APS-C crop sensors. And how about the new OM1 MFT camera system? There is no reason to ditch crop sensors.


The Fuji X series has APS-C size sensor and the OM has MFT sensor but neither has crop sensors. The Canon R7/R10 and the Nikon Z50 do.

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May 25, 2022 06:31:12   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
imagemeister wrote:
Maybe the bigger question is what lens mount will they have ??


Canon RF. It's listed on Canon's spec page for each.

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May 25, 2022 07:06:09   #
ELNikkor
 
I wouldn't buy a new camera that didn't have IBIS.

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May 25, 2022 07:08:17   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will create new mirrorless product tiers based on including this feature. With this morning's R7 / R10 announcements, we see maybe this theory in practice. In the upper tier EOS R7 (mirrorless evolution of the EOS 7D-series bodies), we see 32MP, 15 fps mechanical and 30 fps electronic, 2 card slots, and all the technology and weather resistance features of a premier sports / wildlife body with a cropped sensor.

In the EOS R10, we see a lot of advanced technology, including: 24MP, 15 fps mechanical and 23 fps electronic, 1 card slots, Eye-tracking AF. But, in this lighter weight and lower-priced modern technology marvel, we see the IBIS missing along with the mirror.

We saw something similar in Nikon's mirrorless cropped Z50, and the Z fc too. Use IS / VR lenses and you won't miss the camera's missing IBIS. But, if you're looking to consolidate all your lenses, including the legacy lenses back to the film-era, onto a single digital platform, this missing IBIS may remove some of the camera models from consideration.

These cameras from Canon and Nikon differ from Sony's approach where IBIS is a standard feature in all the mirrorless bodies, cropped and full-frame.
I've had a theory for a while that Canon will crea... (show quote)


Price point, price point , price point. Cost money to put in & cover under warranty if need be & most of all, make you want to purchase a camera with it. As long as you can mount a lens with IS. What is the price difference between them?

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May 25, 2022 07:40:18   #
whfowle Loc: Tampa first, now Albuquerque
 
I like IBIS because it helps when I use my MF and older DSLR lenses. There are times when it is not practical or allowed to set up a tripod.

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