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May 21, 2022 08:28:03   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Ysarex wrote:
Then you have no need to set a custom WB in camera unless you find it helps you taking the photos. The camera WB setting does not effect raw files. For raw files WB is set during raw conversion. To set an accurate WB for your subject shoot a WB target. You can buy one (http://whibal.com) or as previously noted a piece of white Styrofoam is ideal. A grey card may work but they tend to yellow with age -- I'd just buy a cup of coffee from the gas station that sells it in Styrofoam cups.

A convenience of managing WB with raw files is that you don't have to shoot the target first. In the illustration below you see some recent photos I took of my wife's fothergilla. The last photo is a shot of the WB target which in my case is just a piece of a Styrofoam food tray that I've inserted into the photo. To process the photos I first go to the shot with the target and read the target with the WB eyedropper. Then I copy that value and paste it to the other photos. You can of course still change the WB to taste but setting from the target first starts you off from an accurate position.

If the lighting changes while you're working shoot the target for each condition.
Then you have no need to set a custom WB in camera... (show quote)


In the light your shooting at the time is most accurate but, can probably shoot one sunny, one cloudy, etc. , & would be plenty close enough & put the camera profiles in LR. Y/N?

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May 21, 2022 09:12:52   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
Don, the 2nd son wrote:


I ask this because I keep hoping the answer involves a button that will magically find and set the "correct" WB but suspect that's what I'm already doing with "daylight."


This is how it is done example. This is how I do it. She is long winded so if you don't want to watch the whole video jump to 5 mins in.

https://youtu.be/Psl7BFLEbpY

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May 21, 2022 10:26:36   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
tcthome wrote:
In the light your shooting at the time is most accurate but, can probably shoot one sunny, one cloudy, etc. , & would be plenty close enough & put the camera profiles in LR. Y/N?


No. You can chose between an accurate starting point or not. Most people don't need an accurate WB and are happy with color that pleases them -- close enough. If you do need or want an accurate WB then you have to take a measurement.

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May 21, 2022 10:30:14   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
r1ch wrote:

Two methods, get one of those little color checker cards. They have white and grey card.
https://www.amazon.com/Pixel-Perfect-Camera-Colour-Correction/dp/B07VCTWR5Q/

YIKES! NO! Bad product. If you want to use a colorchecker you can do that but it's not at all necessary to set WB. If you are going to use a colorchecker here's the link to purchase one: https://www.amazon.com/Calibrite-ColorChecker-Passport-Photo-CCPP2/dp/B0973HSH3V/ref=sr_1_3?crid=25VHNH2MVEJUP&keywords=colorchecker&qid=1653143352&s=electronics&sprefix=colorchecker%2Celectronics%2C112&sr=1-3&th=1

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May 21, 2022 10:55:44   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
r1ch wrote:
This is how it is done example. This is how I do it. She is long winded so if you don't want to watch the whole video jump to 5 mins in.

https://youtu.be/Psl7BFLEbpY


Setting WB either custom-on-camera or in post does not require an 18% grey card. It requires a spectrally neutral target such that the color of the light striking the target is reflected from the target unchanged. The card can be white -- in the colorchecker passport from Calibrite the WB card is light grey. A grey card will work if it's spectrally neutral however many grey cards are manufactured to function as exposure aids and not specifically to measure WB.

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May 21, 2022 11:00:58   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
Don, the 2nd son wrote:
I've read about this numerous times and think one has to view the image on the LCD screen/EVF and manipulate colors to meet what one's brain considers "neutral grey." Having defective color vision (red/green + something else) leaves me unable to complete this task successfully. Seems obvious I must rely on "Auto WB' or just keep it on "Daylight" which is what I've been doing. As Gary Friedman tells it:

How to Nail the White Balance using the Grey Card
· Do one of the following:
o With the subject holding the card in front of them, do a Custom White Balance in your camera. The white balance will be locked until you change it.
o When you’re processing your images on your computer, use the test shot taken in Step 1. Use the White Balance Selector tool (commonly referred to as the “Eyedropper Tool”) on the grey card to set the white balance, then apply that setting to all the images in that session.
· That’s it!

BTW, I noticed years ago that my eyes each have slightly different ideas of the colors I'm seeing. I wonder how many other folks have such, seems about right since bilateral symmetry is typically off a smidge naturally.

I ask this because I keep hoping the answer involves a button that will magically find and set the "correct" WB but suspect that's what I'm already doing with "daylight."

I have noticed that PSE & LR sometimes/rather often select a "auto WB correction" that even I can see is wayyy off. My guess is that when one color predominates as green in a lush landscape the auto algorithm takes too much green out leaving other colors off kilter.

Here I go ignoring Mark Twain's good advice; "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.”
I've read about this numerous times and think one ... (show quote)


Setting a white balance seems to be a personal choice. Some say use the auto, others say only if you shoot jpeg and some have said use a gray card.

Several years ago I worked for a school photography company, we shot jpeg and we were to do a custom white balance before each and every job. Our procedure was to set up the lights and camera, double check all the settings and then shoot a "white balance card." That was a card consisting of four triangles with their apices at the center. In landscape orientation there was a black triangle at the left, a white triangle at the right and a middle gray triangle at the top and bottom of the card. The company used Canon cameras which had a custom white balance setting in the menus indicated by an icon of a rectangle sitting on two wedges. .I currently use a Pentax K-70 which has a similar icon to denote the menu for setting it. The card was set in the subject position and a photo taken. the histogram was to appear with three high points, gray in the middle with black and white at the edges. the black and white points were to be equidistant from their respective end meaning the lights were not over or under bright. If they were not equal, we adjusted the lighting accordingly and reshot the test photo. That sounds like a long process but it really was not very difficult and the colors were very good. The upside of this process, it does not require perfect color vision, simply evaluation of the histogram in black, white and gray. It may even save adjusting the white balance in photoshop, if shooting RAW files.

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May 21, 2022 11:31:29   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Setting a white balance seems to be a personal choice. Some say use the auto, others say only if you shoot jpeg and some have said use a gray card.

Several years ago I worked for a school photography company, we shot jpeg and we were to do a custom white balance before each and every job. Our procedure was to set up the lights and camera, double check all the settings and then shoot a "white balance card." That was a card consisting of four triangles with their apices at the center. In landscape orientation there was a black triangle at the left, a white triangle at the right and a middle gray triangle at the top and bottom of the card. The company used Canon cameras which had a custom white balance setting in the menus indicated by an icon of a rectangle sitting on two wedges. .I currently use a Pentax K-70 which has a similar icon to denote the menu for setting it. The card was set in the subject position and a photo taken. the histogram was to appear with three high points, gray in the middle with black and white at the edges. the black and white points were to be equidistant from their respective end meaning the lights were not over or under bright. If they were not equal, we adjusted the lighting accordingly and reshot the test photo. That sounds like a long process but it really was not very difficult and the colors were very good. The upside of this process, it does not require perfect color vision, simply evaluation of the histogram in black, white and gray.
Setting a white balance seems to be a personal cho... (show quote)

You're getting exposure and WB mixed up. There's no reason to involve histogram evaluation in setting a custom WB, that would be done to set exposure. Setting a custom WB on camera is a simple one click operation with nothing to evaluate.
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
It may even save adjusting the white balance in photoshop, if shooting RAW files.

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May 21, 2022 11:33:49   #
Hip Coyote
 
I am gradually learning on this topic, but here is my understanding

* the grey card can assist you in setting WB to the correct setting, but using RAW obviates the need to do so. So I rarely, if ever do a wb change.

* There is an entire Facebook group dedicated to using the grey card to set exposure for off camera flash...the Speedlite group run by Tim Payne. It is an excellent place to learn about color, flash and the grey card system. i have used it and it works well. Basically, they advocate shooting a test shot to get ambient background the way you want it then use a grey card to get the histogram in the middle and that is the starting off point. One can set WB as well. It is easy to do.

* When I purchased my Spyder Color Calibration kit, it came with a cube that looked like a Christmas ornament. It has black, white and grey. It has a hole in it that is absolute black. It has a loop to hang it as well as a female thread (or a thread that self identifies as female) to screw it onto a light stand. They advocate taking a shot of it in existing light so that you can have a reference for those extremes in post. I have not spent a lot of time using it, but it does work well. Seriously, when I first got the kit, I wondered why they would put in an ornament! Thanks youtube. duh.

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May 21, 2022 13:21:34   #
Gordon_CO Loc: Colorful Colorado
 
I use an ExpoDisc. Place it over the lens and take a shot of the scene. You can then use that shot to set custom white balance in camera or use the image in post. Frankly though I don't use it as often as I should and end up doing a lot of white balance adjustments in post.

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May 21, 2022 13:32:16   #
ecurb Loc: Metro Chicago Area
 
Don, the 2nd son wrote:
I've read about this numerous times and think one has to view the image on the LCD screen/EVF and manipulate colors to meet what one's brain considers "neutral grey." Having defective color vision (red/green + something else) leaves me unable to complete this task successfully. Seems obvious I must rely on "Auto WB' or just keep it on "Daylight" which is what I've been doing. As Gary Friedman tells it:

How to Nail the White Balance using the Grey Card
· Do one of the following:
o With the subject holding the card in front of them, do a Custom White Balance in your camera. The white balance will be locked until you change it.
o When you’re processing your images on your computer, use the test shot taken in Step 1. Use the White Balance Selector tool (commonly referred to as the “Eyedropper Tool”) on the grey card to set the white balance, then apply that setting to all the images in that session.
· That’s it!

BTW, I noticed years ago that my eyes each have slightly different ideas of the colors I'm seeing. I wonder how many other folks have such, seems about right since bilateral symmetry is typically off a smidge naturally.

I ask this because I keep hoping the answer involves a button that will magically find and set the "correct" WB but suspect that's what I'm already doing with "daylight."

I have noticed that PSE & LR sometimes/rather often select a "auto WB correction" that even I can see is wayyy off. My guess is that when one color predominates as green in a lush landscape the auto algorithm takes too much green out leaving other colors off kilter.

Here I go ignoring Mark Twain's good advice; "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.”
I've read about this numerous times and think one ... (show quote)


Simple, measure the color temperature. I use a Minolta Color Meter II. Get a kelvin reading of the scene, set your white balance to that kelvin rating. Easy peasy.

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May 21, 2022 13:36:59   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
Ysarex wrote:
YIKES! NO! Bad product. If you want to use a colorchecker you can do that but it's not at all necessary to set WB. If you are going to use a colorchecker here's the link to purchase one: https://www.amazon.com/Calibrite-ColorChecker-Passport-Photo-CCPP2/dp/B0973HSH3V/ref=sr_1_3?crid=25VHNH2MVEJUP&keywords=colorchecker&qid=1653143352&s=electronics&sprefix=colorchecker%2Celectronics%2C112&sr=1-3&th=1


I don't think you need a 100 dollar unit but I am not going to debate it.

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May 21, 2022 13:39:46   #
r1ch Loc: Colorado
 
Ysarex wrote:
Setting WB either custom-on-camera or in post does not require an 18% grey card. It requires a spectrally neutral target such that the color of the light striking the target is reflected from the target unchanged. The card can be white -- in the colorchecker passport from Calibrite the WB card is light grey. A grey card will work if it's spectrally neutral however many grey cards are manufactured to function as exposure aids and not specifically to measure WB.


The method in the video is valid, there are many others. I picked hers because it was in the picture. The color checker has white and grey and you can make one of those work.

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May 21, 2022 14:39:46   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
r1ch wrote:
I don't think you need a 100 dollar unit but I am not going to debate it.


No you don't need a $100 dollar colorchecker. To set WB you don't need a colorchecker at all. To set a custom WB in camera you can't use a color checker. A white Styrofoam coffee cup works just as well and costs a lot less.

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May 21, 2022 14:47:15   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
r1ch wrote:
The method in the video is valid, there are many others. I picked hers because it was in the picture. The color checker has white and grey and you can make one of those work.


The OP's original question -- note thread title -- involved setting a custom WB and the first thing he mentioned was an instruction he'd read that recommended setting a custom WB on the camera. That can't be done with a colorchecker at all.

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May 21, 2022 14:51:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
My tool for in-camera is $15 to $30, depending on brand and shopping source ... Easy enough to carry and to quickly use. Vello Universal White Balance Handheld Disc

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