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Oct 31, 2012 06:38:15   #
GeoffHD Loc: Essex UK
 
Sorry made a bloomer NOT .dxf but it should be .XMP

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Oct 31, 2012 06:39:44   #
GeoffHD Loc: Essex UK
 
Sorry Made a Bloomer It is not .DXF but .XMP........another senior moment :-(

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Oct 31, 2012 06:47:14   #
jecanes Loc: Taumarunui, New Zealand
 
Wrong! Opening from a RAW editor into PS or PSE does not open as a JPG, it opens as an editable file that supports layers etc. When you save from PS or PSE you have the option of saving as a PSD (default), TIFF or JPG (or others). Both PSD and TIFF save with Layers so they can be re-edited.

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Oct 31, 2012 06:51:01   #
Radioman Loc: Ontario Canada
 
bobmartin wrote:
I might also add that there are many excellent image editing programmes out there other that those made by Adobe... PaintShop Pro being one.


PaintShop Pro, like most of Corel software, is MS Windows only.
Adobe have both MS Windows and Mac OSX versions.

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Oct 31, 2012 08:24:32   #
RedIris Loc: MN, USA
 
All I can say is;
I wish I had saved all my digital photos as Tiff and saving on a separate disc, before editing them and playing around with them.

The photos I took many years ago (digitally) are corrupt from saving them (same photo, not duplicate) over and over again. It's very disheartening to open a file and it's smaller than what you took it, because you didn't save the original, use a duplicate to edit, and resized them through a batch file!

I could kick myself. For the last few years I've been saving all my shots as Tiff (the original) and saving to disc as soon as I load them to my computer. The original photo will always be there to copy to my computer.

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Oct 31, 2012 09:18:21   #
EstherP
 
waterbug49307 wrote:
So I seriously need to stop using picasa and move on to Elements 10 to save my raw files. Thanks for all your help - you explained it very well.


Don't rush and suddenly try to do everything in PSE.
Sit down when you have some time available and will not be interrupted, Open PSE, then open a RAW file. Even make a copy of the RAW file first (in a new folder, and rename the file by maybe adding a "1" or "a" to the file name), to help protect your original file.
Then start "playing" - use the sliders and see what happens when you do. There are three tabs in the RAW editing window, above the sliders - become familiar with what's under each of them.
On the top left of the RAW editing window are some tools as well.
See what happens when you use them.
Finally "Open" the picture and it will open in your PSE editing window without the RAW window, to do even more stuff.

Above all: keep in mind that you're discovering and learning, and have fun! Photography and PP is not all serious business
:lol:
EstherP

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Oct 31, 2012 09:22:54   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
OK... As pure photographers, TIFF format wouldn't seem to make sense, but if you intend to have an image published, like in a brochure, newspaper, annual report, etc., etc. TIFF is the vastly preferred format.

InDesign, the leading publishing composition software, where the above is typically created and published with, does not accept RAW files.

So a typical Art Director/Designer's workflow ( which is what I primarily am), would be to accept images in RAW or high res JPEG's ( as stock image company's- I figure only because they are so commonly supported), and open and retouch in PhotoShop. I retain original image in original format, the layered photoshop files and archive these, and save again as either: a flattened PhotoShop file ( to retain any transparacy I want such as silhouettes), or a flattened TIFF or sometimes layered TIFF, ( tiffs will retain a clipping paths and alpha channels) and convert them to CMYK to be placed into the InDesign document. These flattened images are what I actually send to the printer, along with the InDesign document. That's what tiff's are for.

You can place and use JPEG's but the image degradation is something we professional designers want to avoid. I only create jpeg's or png's, gif's for use on the web. ( Always retaining the original image in all it's original splendor, for possible re-editing if ever needed)

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/imagetypes.htm

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Oct 31, 2012 09:29:10   #
wjdonahue Loc: Kansas City
 
Festina Lente wrote:
waterbug49307 wrote:
Dagnabit anyway. And may I ask what would the benefit be of tiff?
For most of us, there is no advantage. RAW is the native format from the camera containing everything the camera was able to capture. When you edit the RAW file you save the edits as a JPEG for most uses. The RAW file should always remain untouched.

A TIFF file is a format that is not compressed, and as such can be edited over and over without losing information through multiple compressions. A JPEG is compressed each time you save it, and after many edits and saves it loses some noticeable quality.

Some houses / clients require a TIFF file format when making a submittal, but that is the exception for most of us. Since a TIFF is such a large file size, contains less information than a RAW file, and when printed is indistinguishable from a newly created JPEG, there is little reason to create or save files in the TIFF format.

That is not to say there are no advantages to TIFF. The most notable being it is a non-lossy file format that is universal (non-proprietary) and is not dependent on a camera or software vendor's support and periodic changes. Some folks worry about that. But most software vendors (notably Adobe's products) continually update and support all major camera RAW file formats.


Some houses / clients require a TIFF file format when making a submittal, but that is the exception for most of us. Since a TIFF is such a large file size, and it contains less information than a RAW file, and when printed is indistinguishable from a newly RAW to JPEG edit, there is little reason to create or save files in the TIFF format.

That is not to say there are advantages to TIFF. The most notable being it is a non-lossy file format that is universal (non-propritary) and is not dependent on a camera or software vendor's support and periodic changes.
quote=waterbug49307 Dagnabit anyway. And may I as... (show quote)


The other major advantage of tiff over jpeg is that if a file is edited with layers present, masks, etc. the tiff file can be saved with the layers still distinct and intact, jpeg merges the layers so that they are never again recoverable. That is why so many houses that don't accept psd or other proprietary formats require tiff instead of jpeg. If they need to tweak the layers, they can.

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Oct 31, 2012 09:57:11   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
RedIris wrote:
All I can say is;
I wish I had saved all my digital photos as Tiff and saving on a separate disc, before editing them and playing around with them.

The photos I took many years ago (digitally) are corrupt from saving them (same photo, not duplicate) over and over again. It's very disheartening to open a file and it's smaller than what you took it, because you didn't save the original, use a duplicate to edit, and resized them through a batch file!

I could kick myself. For the last few years I've been saving all my shots as Tiff (the original) and saving to disc as soon as I load them to my computer. The original photo will always be there to copy to my computer.
All I can say is; br I wish I had saved all my di... (show quote)


A hard lesson to learn, but I agree 100% about saving in TIFF or other lossless format. I am truly amazed how many on this forum don't take advantage of saving lossless files. Perhaps snapshots are OK as jpegs to save space, but not any "serious" work IMO.

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Oct 31, 2012 10:46:58   #
woodsliv Loc: Tehachapi,CA
 
waterbug49307 wrote:
So I seriously need to stop using picasa and move on to Elements 10 to save my raw files. Thanks for all your help - you explained it very well.


You didn't say what camera you are using. I got the software (View NX2) with my Nikon, that is what I have been using and it takes care of the RAW and converts to JPG.

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Oct 31, 2012 11:16:07   #
jimni2001 Loc: Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
 
If you want to see how lossy jpeg is take one and rotate it about 100 times. You can watch the photo disintegrate before your eyes. Do this with a copy if you want to keep the original. The advantage to shooting in raw is the amount of information that the raw file holds. It sometimes makes it possible to recover highlights that would be blown out in jpeg as well as bringing things out of shadows. The camera shoots in raw then it is processed into a jpeg file in the camera with what ever settings you have in the camera. If you have a white balance issue it is much easier to fix in a raw file. I shoot in raw unless I am shooting time lapse then I shoot jpeg because of the storage issue and because I am too lazy to process 2 or 3 thousand photos at one time.

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Oct 31, 2012 11:22:02   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
RichieC wrote:
OK... As pure photographers, TIFF format wouldn't seem to make sense, but if you intend to have an image published, like in a brochure, newspaper, annual report, etc., etc. TIFF is the vastly preferred format.

InDesign, the leading publishing composition software, where the above is typically created and published with, does not accept RAW files.

So a typical Art Director/Designer's workflow ( which is what I primarily am), would be to accept images in RAW or high res JPEG's ( as stock image company's- I figure only because they are so commonly supported), and open and retouch in PhotoShop. I retain original image in original format, the layered photoshop files and archive these, and save again as either: a flattened PhotoShop file ( to retain any transparacy I want such as silhouettes), or a flattened TIFF or sometimes layered TIFF, ( tiffs will retain a clipping paths and alpha channels) and convert them to CMYK to be placed into the InDesign document. These flattened images are what I actually send to the printer, along with the InDesign document. That's what tiff's are for.

You can place and use JPEG's but the image degradation is something we professional designers want to avoid. I only create jpeg's or png's, gif's for use on the web. ( Always retaining the original image in all it's original splendor, for possible re-editing if ever needed)

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/imagetypes.htm
OK... As pure photographers, TIFF format wouldn't... (show quote)


Rich be the man!!! This is exactly correct...If you have anything to do with the publishing world...it's RAW to TIFF all the way...

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Oct 31, 2012 11:26:51   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
Another thing I have experienced. I use Phase One software and Photoshop. On a few occasions I have gone back several many years and pulled a RAW file I shot and stored on a DVD. Then, because a client wanted a different frame or something...I've processed it to a TIFF using many generations newer software and been amazed at files I delivered. They are constantly improving the software...how wonderful to be able to revisit a shot you made years ago and improve it...
God...I LOVE DIGITAL!!!

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Oct 31, 2012 11:45:45   #
CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida
 
I don't use Picassa but... after I make my adjustments I then save it as a jpg. After that I have the option to save the RAW file as the new changes or convert it back to it's original settings. Obviously the thing to do is revert it back to it's original while I have the jpg with the new adjustments.

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Oct 31, 2012 11:57:04   #
GeoffHD Loc: Essex UK
 
Thanks for correcting my error 'jecanes' another senior moment :-( becoming more frequent..... your right the RAW file opens in a format that is native to the editor you are using at the time then saved out in the file type you select. that raises another point worth remembering, that is to save your masterpeice in that native format to save you doing it all again....think I got it about right this time :-)

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