Shot RAW and jpeg but
Oct 30, 2012 10:48:09 #
waterbug49307
Loc: All over, currently Big Rapids Michigan
Just started shooting both but after reading todays new topic section - maybe my efforts were for naught. I edited them in picasa - so according to todays section they are not in RAW anymore? Is that correct? I just recently bought Elements 10 - but am not comfortable enough to edit with it yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Oct 30, 2012 10:58:20 #
i love picasa but if you save it will come out jpeg.you can go to "save as" and give it a different name then you will still have the original raw file.if you want to go from raw to tiff you will have to use a different editor or converter.
Oct 30, 2012 11:00:26 #
waterbug49307
Loc: All over, currently Big Rapids Michigan
Dagnabit anyway. And may I ask what would the benefit be of tiff?
Oct 30, 2012 11:04:52 #
Taking them in RAW is ok, but the edited files are usually saved as JPG so anyone can see your final product. Always save the RAW for later edits, etc.
Oct 30, 2012 11:22:57 #
waterbug49307 wrote:
For most of us, there is no advantage. RAW is the native format from the camera containing everything the camera was able to capture. When you edit the RAW file you save the edits as a JPEG for most uses. The RAW file should always remain untouched.Dagnabit anyway. And may I ask what would the benefit be of tiff?
A TIFF file is a format that is not compressed, and as such can be edited over and over without losing information through multiple compressions. A JPEG is compressed each time you save it, and after many edits and saves it loses some noticeable quality.
Some houses / clients require a TIFF file format when making a submittal, but that is the exception for most of us. Since a TIFF is such a large file size, contains less information than a RAW file, and when printed is indistinguishable from a newly created JPEG, there is little reason to create or save files in the TIFF format.
That is not to say there are no advantages to TIFF. The most notable being it is a non-lossy file format that is universal (non-proprietary) and is not dependent on a camera or software vendor's support and periodic changes. Some folks worry about that. But most software vendors (notably Adobe's products) continually update and support all major camera RAW file formats.
Some houses / clients require a TIFF file format when making a submittal, but that is the exception for most of us. Since a TIFF is such a large file size, and it contains less information than a RAW file, and when printed is indistinguishable from a newly RAW to JPEG edit, there is little reason to create or save files in the TIFF format.
That is not to say there are advantages to TIFF. The most notable being it is a non-lossy file format that is universal (non-propritary) and is not dependent on a camera or software vendor's support and periodic changes.
Oct 30, 2012 11:37:47 #
waterbug49307
Loc: All over, currently Big Rapids Michigan
So I seriously need to stop using picasa and move on to Elements 10 to save my raw files. Thanks for all your help - you explained it very well.
Oct 30, 2012 11:57:48 #
waterbug49307 wrote:
So I seriously need to stop using picasa and move on to Elements 10 to save my raw files. Thanks for all your help - you explained it very well.
no if you save your work and rename it under "save as" then your original raw files will be there untouched.
Oct 30, 2012 12:38:27 #
waterbug49307 wrote:
Picasa apparently allows you to overwrite your original RAW files with whatever format you chose (usually JPEG). If you can always remember to "Save As" and select JPEG as the format, your RAW files should not be touched (as long as there is no auto save option enabled).So I seriously need to stop using picasa and move on to Elements 10 to save my raw files. Thanks for all your help - you explained it very well.
Elements 10, might be a step back in some ways compared to some of the functionality offered in Picasa. However...
A far better choice would be Lightroom 4.2. Not only will it not allow you to ever overwrite a RAW file, ever, it is the most comprehensive and best software managment tool for a photographer. You will not outgrow it, and it is an amazing value with excellent widespread support from all corners. And if you like Elements, PhotoShop, or well over a hundred third party specialized photo editing software programs, they are available as simple plug-ins so you can use them from within Lightroom.
Look into Lightroom 4.2 if you wish to move on to a better software platform.
Oct 30, 2012 16:07:03 #
Think of it this way.
RAW is the equivalent of a negative in film.
You can make prints from a negative which would be a .jpg in the case of digital.
Lets say your prints (photos) turned out a bit on the dark side.
You could take your negatives (RAW) back and say you would like them reprinted a little bit lighter, just like making a new .jpg.
Thats the beauty of RAW, You have the negative and you can tweak it and save as jpg and your RAW file is always there untouched if you want to tweak it more.
RAW is the equivalent of a negative in film.
You can make prints from a negative which would be a .jpg in the case of digital.
Lets say your prints (photos) turned out a bit on the dark side.
You could take your negatives (RAW) back and say you would like them reprinted a little bit lighter, just like making a new .jpg.
Thats the beauty of RAW, You have the negative and you can tweak it and save as jpg and your RAW file is always there untouched if you want to tweak it more.
Oct 30, 2012 16:57:47 #
Oct 31, 2012 02:24:36 #
You can 'save as copy' which will save the edit in original folder alongside the original image with a -001 or -002 (# of edit) automatically added to image file number so original will not be changed.
If you use 'save as' change tittle somewhat so original is not changed.
Do not use just 'save' as this will change the original.
This true for jpg or raw.
If you use 'save as' change tittle somewhat so original is not changed.
Do not use just 'save' as this will change the original.
This true for jpg or raw.
Oct 31, 2012 02:45:09 #
Oct 31, 2012 05:35:36 #
I might add that even if you use JPG instead of RAW you should always copy, then save the originals and only edit the copies (don't really know why I should have to state the obvious but it seems that some think the only way to take this precaution is to shoot in RAW)
Oct 31, 2012 06:27:09 #
GeoffHD
Loc: Essex UK
It does not matter what level you are, in your photography career.....shoot in raw, even if you don't yet know the benifits and how to exploit this type of image because any shot that is incorrectly or for that matter correctly exposed, will be there for you when do learn about RAW.
Just because you have edited the raw file does not change it in any way, after editing you click on open into whatever in your chosen editor i.e. Photoshop, Elements or what ever, it will oopen as a JPG and the RAW file editor will close. You can now go back to that RAW file and open it again and edit all again also you can click on 'As Shot'. The RAW data is never lost. After editing a RAW and having gone onto other editing software look in the directory at that RAW file you will find another file with the same name but will be a .dxf after it. It is this little file that has the info of changes to the RAW file, you could even lose that file and your Original RAW file is still in tact. When saving the JPG you do not need to give it another name the .JPG after the takes care of that.
Sorry if I have rambled on a bit but hope this helps.
Just because you have edited the raw file does not change it in any way, after editing you click on open into whatever in your chosen editor i.e. Photoshop, Elements or what ever, it will oopen as a JPG and the RAW file editor will close. You can now go back to that RAW file and open it again and edit all again also you can click on 'As Shot'. The RAW data is never lost. After editing a RAW and having gone onto other editing software look in the directory at that RAW file you will find another file with the same name but will be a .dxf after it. It is this little file that has the info of changes to the RAW file, you could even lose that file and your Original RAW file is still in tact. When saving the JPG you do not need to give it another name the .JPG after the takes care of that.
Sorry if I have rambled on a bit but hope this helps.
Oct 31, 2012 06:32:40 #
I might also add that there are many excellent image editing programmes out there other that those made by Adobe... PaintShop Pro being one.
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