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May 13, 2022 23:55:20   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
[quote=Jklovell][quote=JD750]Your customer requests a different image and are you resisting? You put your own feelings about the image before the customer? What’s really going on here? Something more than an image it woukd seem.[/

No, they requested that image. They chose all of the images. I had no say so. And while editing it I kept thinking, is this really okay. Have those I was concerned about really matured that much. Do the administrators know something I don’t. So I looked up the soldier from whose likeness it was made. He served one year in the Confederate Army, got injured, became the sheriff, eventually postmaster, and served in the state legislature. Quite the man. Accomplished more than anyone who might ever complain. That now bothers me. We are all multifaceted. One year in the CSA Army and someone feels like they know better. Yes, that bothers me. No hidden agenda here, Bud[/quote]

I just meant perhaps you feelings are getting in the way. You are allowed to have feelings of course, but the job was to provide the customer images that they like. Sometimes the customers don't like the same images we do but their opinion counts more.

And for what it's worth, I don't understand modern cultures desire to eliminate all traces of our history. Because "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

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May 14, 2022 01:10:43   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
For some people, knowing the history or background of someone or something is just as important as what they see. Other people either don’t care or don’t want to know the full story. They are satisfied to be happy or angry with what’s on the outside. Or they are afraid to stand up to those that fit the last category.

I guess you give them what they want regardless of your personal opinion. If someone wants you to photograph something that’s immoral or illegal, I figure you have every right to tell them you won’t stoop that low or call the cops if it’s of criminal nature.

Past, present and future military personnel generally don’t have a choice in what they do (outside of committing war crimes). With our all volunteer military, too many people today don’t realize that.

About all you can do is do the right thing yourself and forget about others. It may sound arrogant, but I’ve told my kids that they have to see themselves as better than other people. Not better because of their name, skin color, job, money, education or whatever, but better in that they will do what other people won’t do and not do things other people will do. As an example, this winter one son volunteered at a homeless shelter and one daughter crocheted stocking caps for underprivileged kids. Any one can throw change into a bucket but it takes a lot more to actually volunteer your time and effort, something most people won’t do.
For some people, knowing the history or background... (show quote)


Thanks at last for an opinion less wrought in arrogance and more in what really matters, the truth.

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May 14, 2022 02:54:02   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Jklovell wrote:
I’m feeling a little deflated at the moment and would like some input. I’ve been lucky enough to be asked to produce 17 images, printed, matted, glazed and framed for my hospital. Among the first batch is a black and white image 24” x 36” of the local decommissioned courthouse. In front of the building is a statue of a Confederate Soldier. I was told a few hours after delivering them that they had to “put it away” due to the soldier. First of all, I didn’t pick the images. They were all chosen by the administration from among my portfolio. They are suggesting I replace the print with something else. I don’t want to. I like the image. It took a lot of work and it’s damn near perfect. I’m sorry that they won’t be displaying it, but, to remove it would harm the print, the backboard, and the matting. Sure, the frame would be fine, but it is a finished piece. A fine finished piece of art. What would you (anyone) do?
I’m feeling a little deflated at the moment and wo... (show quote)


The person who chose the image was obviously overridden by someone else who may not want stir up anything. The issue of Confederate statues and monuments has caused a lot of strong negative feelings by some over the past year or two, and they obviously don't want that generated in their hospital. You can argue that the picture doesn't make a statement. You just documented something that exists in the community. It won't make them change their minds. Keep the picture for yourself and give them something else and move on. That's your only reasonable choice. If you choose to back out, then your pictures will not be on display, and that will hurt only you.

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May 14, 2022 05:57:25   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jklovell wrote:
I’m feeling a little deflated at the moment and would like some input. I’ve been lucky enough to be asked to produce 17 images, printed, matted, glazed and framed for my hospital. Among the first batch is a black and white image 24” x 36” of the local decommissioned courthouse. In front of the building is a statue of a Confederate Soldier. I was told a few hours after delivering them that they had to “put it away” due to the soldier. First of all, I didn’t pick the images. They were all chosen by the administration from among my portfolio. They are suggesting I replace the print with something else. I don’t want to. I like the image. It took a lot of work and it’s damn near perfect. I’m sorry that they won’t be displaying it, but, to remove it would harm the print, the backboard, and the matting. Sure, the frame would be fine, but it is a finished piece. A fine finished piece of art. What would you (anyone) do?
I’m feeling a little deflated at the moment and wo... (show quote)


Sad that history is now being destroyed.

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May 14, 2022 07:08:38   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Jklovell wrote:
I will. I have many more to choose from. Just don’t know how to pursue getting paid for it. Ultimately the job is a dream chance for me and the last thing I want to do is anger anyone, regardless of how wrong they are. I’d be very disappointed if they pulled the whole thing. I want to voice my thoughts about the man in the picture. I’ve researched him. Quite a guy.


So was Benedict Arnold.

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May 14, 2022 07:58:58   #
Jack47 Loc: Ontario
 
Jklovell wrote:
I will. I have many more to choose from. Just don’t know how to pursue getting paid for it. Ultimately the job is a dream chance for me and the last thing I want to do is anger anyone, regardless of how wrong they are. I’d be very disappointed if they pulled the whole thing. I want to voice my thoughts about the man in the picture. I’ve researched him. Quite a guy.


“Regardless of how wrong they are” ?????………THEY ARE NOT WRONG.

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May 14, 2022 08:07:41   #
Billynikon2
 
It really doesn't matter that he was a good guy who only spent one year in a confederate uniform. It is the perception of those who see it and do not know the history. Suck it up and take new pics.

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May 14, 2022 08:21:16   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
It is indeed perception. All kinds of personalities come into a hospital for care. Many of the family & friends that come get more hostile than the patients. People are at their emotional worst (in some cases best) when they are in the hospital and under stress. Seeing something that pushes their emotional or irrational buttons (not up to us to judge what angers them) is best avoided if we know in advance that a certain object, photo, color, theme, noise or smell pushes their fragile sensitivities to the breaking point. I have been in healthcare over 40 years and have seen people at their best and worst in the hospital setting.

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May 14, 2022 08:21:43   #
Stephan G
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Sad that history is now being destroyed.


Which "history"?

There are too many examples of rewritten History that are used to support "modern views" on ALL sides. The actual sad part, research is dissuaded.

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May 14, 2022 08:26:33   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Longshadow wrote:
Ask them to pick a replacement image and hang the one they feel is politically incorrect in your house.

(I won't say what I feel........ )


I am sorry but I prob. feel the same as you but don't want the wrath of the Wokies on me.... As long as people bend to "Always right " customer, NOTHING will change. Just say NO... Vote with dollars. It Works.

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May 14, 2022 08:27:48   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Sad that history is now being destroyed.



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May 14, 2022 08:31:00   #
SkyKing Loc: Thompson Ridge, NY
 
“And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.…”

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May 14, 2022 08:36:13   #
Canisdirus
 
Few get to see the unvarnished history...there are tons of missing pieces...everywhere.
The dead soldier...cares not.
Follow his example.

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May 14, 2022 08:39:55   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Jklovell wrote:
I understand completely. My problem is: they picked the image, not me. If you printed and framed an image someone asked for, would you like it? The ones who picked it actually live there. I don’t. I travel there to work. They pass the statue everyday. They knew what it was. It’s their fault. Not mine. I don’t have an ego to protect. This is all new to me. That’s why I posted my concern. It’s an issue, not the end of the world. As far as not having a contract: these are my co-workers. These are people I’d trust with my life, my child’s life. I want them to be happy with the images, of course. But I can’t help but hope they’ll develop a little more character and not fall for every whimper.
I understand completely. My problem is: they picke... (show quote)

You’re putting feelings before facts. Fact: they chose the images they wanted and can hang one or all 17 or anywhere in between. You delivered, your job and input is done. Fact: you have been offered a chance to replace what they consider a questionable piece. Do it or do not, your personal feelings don’t matter. Offer number 18 on their list at same unit cost as first 17.
Fact: you’re hoping to build a reputation about your work from the display. Do you want that to be an artist that is difficult to work with?

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May 14, 2022 08:40:50   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Billynikon2 wrote:
It really doesn't matter that he was a good guy who only spent one year in a confederate uniform. It is the perception of those who see it and do not know the history. Suck it up and take new pics.


Suck it up ? I would say NO NEW PICS and please get educated and take a history class.... Catering to the illiterate ? NADA .....

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