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May 12, 2022 13:45:49   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
What was innovation 50 years ago is no longer innovative.


True. What was yesterday's innovation is today's ho-hum standard.

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May 12, 2022 14:10:20   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
bsprague wrote:
Cell phone innovation counts! A lot.

I can go for a walk with my DJI Aerial Camera and take a picture. My cell phone is involved as a screen with the handheld controller as part of the system. Since it is, and I use Adobe's Photography Plan, that image is on my computer, in Lightroom (both of them) by the time I walk back home. If I was in a rush, I could have transmitted it directly to my granddaughter on the other side of the state before I get home.

What other cameras have integrated and embraced cell phone systems?
Cell phone innovation counts! A lot. br br I ca... (show quote)


So I've been looking at my Samsung S21 Pro. The camera system is pretty cool. Video too. Glad I have it. But I think I consider it more a good application of competent technology than particularly innovative.

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May 12, 2022 14:21:31   #
jcboy3
 
bsprague wrote:
Nikon, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic all move forward with steady, incremental innovation. But, nothing ever blows me away.

The camera company that does is DJI. They seem to have thrown away the mold and let the design team lose. Their cameras don't even look like cameras. To start, they fly. Then they take wonderful images and videos.

Yesterday they announced the "Mini 3 Pro". Every one of the usual reviewers is pumped up about their release copies.

My "Best Innovation" award goes to DJI. They may not be reinventing photography, but they sure are pushing out fresh thinking, design and engineering.
Nikon, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic all move forwa... (show quote)


Pentax and Olympus.

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May 12, 2022 16:13:24   #
Beenthere
 
bsprague wrote:
Nikon, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic all move forward with steady, incremental innovation. My "Best Innovation" award goes to DJI. They may not be reinventing photography, but they sure are pushing out fresh thinking, design and engineering.


However, despite their recent troubles and continuing efforts at survival, let us not forget Olympus, the pioneer of much of the technology that all those companies mentioned, are racing to catch up with. Seriously, with all due respect, DJI is a discussion for another time as it doesn't quite fit this forum.

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May 12, 2022 16:56:40   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
DHooch wrote:
It's interesting that when photographers mention cameras, especially those that (are/were) innovative, they never mention Pentax. Pentaprism, TTL metering, etc.



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May 12, 2022 17:00:57   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
DHooch wrote:
It's interesting that when photographers mention cameras, especially those that (are/were) innovative, they never mention Pentax. Pentaprism, TTL metering, etc.



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May 12, 2022 17:08:49   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
bsprague wrote:
Nikon, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic all move forward with steady, incremental innovation. But, nothing ever blows me away.

The camera company that does is DJI. They seem to have thrown away the mold and let the design team lose. Their cameras don't even look like cameras. To start, they fly. Then they take wonderful images and videos.

Yesterday they announced the "Mini 3 Pro". Every one of the usual reviewers is pumped up about their release copies.

My "Best Innovation" award goes to DJI. They may not be reinventing photography, but they sure are pushing out fresh thinking, design and engineering.
Nikon, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic all move forwa... (show quote)


I have to agree with you. All the major camera manufacturers seem to follow each other's lead year after year. And that's not to say it's a bad thing, there's been some great innovations recently, obviously the shift to mirrorless, and the the vastly superior focusing systems etc, but they are all on the same page. As you mentioned though, the one company that really stands out to me personally is "dji". And while not a "camera" company per-se, (more known for their drones), they have had to overcome a lot of photographic obstacles in order to make acceptable images and videos, and they have done both very successfully! They happened to purchase the Hasselblad company, but I don't think they are simply using that brand name to further their own at all. I'm excited to see what they can come up with next, especially if they decide to go forward and produce a full on mirrorless camera, (not part of a drone)!
Ray.

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May 12, 2022 18:35:19   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
KindaSpikey wrote:
I have to agree with you. All the major camera manufacturers seem to follow each other's lead year after year. And that's not to say it's a bad thing, there's been some great innovations recently, obviously the shift to mirrorless, and the the vastly superior focusing systems etc, but they are all on the same page. As you mentioned though, the one company that really stands out to me personally is "dji". And while not a "camera" company per-se, (more known for their drones), they have had to overcome a lot of photographic obstacles in order to make acceptable images and videos, and they have done both very successfully! They happened to purchase the Hasselblad company, but I don't think they are simply using that brand name to further their own at all. I'm excited to see what they can come up with next, especially if they decide to go forward and produce a full on mirrorless camera, (not part of a drone)!
Ray.
I have to agree with you. All the major camera man... (show quote)


" I'm excited to see what they can come up with next, especially if they decide to go forward and produce a full on mirrorless camera"

Ray,

Why would they do that? Why try to make a better Nikon than Nikon? Sony already did that. DJI's cameras make images where images are hard to make like from the air or from shaky platforms. Look at their gimbals. What Hasselblad does next is foggy to me because I can't figure out what I would do with something that big or that expensive.

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May 12, 2022 20:47:56   #
User ID
 
BebuLamar wrote:
And they said it's the guy behind the camera. People don't give their equipment the credit they deserve.


Amen. People just parrot snippets that some other parrot parroted and think it comes across as great words of wisdom.

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May 12, 2022 20:59:04   #
DHooch
 
StanMac wrote:
I hear ya! I’m a Pentax fan from way back. Here’s a Wikipedia article that includes the innovations the Pentax brand has made:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax_cameras

Stan


Thanks for the information.

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May 13, 2022 02:52:39   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
StanMac wrote:
I hear ya! I’m a Pentax fan from way back.


That is just it--Pentax was a leading company way back. I remember my father had a Pentax in the 1960s, the best at the time, that replaced his Roleiflex--another innovative camera of the past. Leica also was an an innovative camera company--pros used mostly Leicas from the 30s to the 50s. Different camera makers had periods of innovative leadership over time.

I would argue that today Sony is the innovative driver of technology; they develop technologies and standards other companies try to emulate. The next innovative thrust will come from AI that already is used in cell phones. We may see a different company taking the lead on that.

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May 13, 2022 03:14:27   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
zug55 wrote:
That is just it--Pentax was a leading company way back. I remember my father had a Pentax in the 1960s, the best at the time, that replaced his Roleflex--another innovative camera of the past. Leica also was an an innovative camera company--pros used mostly Leicas from the 30s to the 50s. Different camera makers had periods of innovative leadership over time.

I would argue that today Sony is the innovative driver of technology; they develop technologies and standards other companies try to emulate. The next innovative thrust will come from AI that already is used in cell phones. We may see a different company taking the lead on that.
That is just it--Pentax was a leading company way ... (show quote)


My very first "real camera" was a Pentax ME Super SLR. It was a great camera for it's day, and I learned a lot about photography by using it. I sold it long ago in order to "upgrade", although I sometimes wish I'd held onto it. Not that I think I'd ever use it, but it would be kinda nostalgic just to have around, yeah, it was a cool camera!
Ray.

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May 13, 2022 07:28:17   #
BebuLamar
 
KindaSpikey wrote:
My very first "real camera" was a Pentax ME Super SLR. It was a great camera for it's day, and I learned a lot about photography by using it. I sold it long ago in order to "upgrade", although I sometimes wish I'd held onto it. Not that I think I'd ever use it, but it would be kinda nostalgic just to have around, yeah, it was a cool camera!
Ray.


I have a great condition ME Super.

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May 13, 2022 07:52:44   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I have a great condition ME Super.


The discussion around nostalgia for older cameras is, I think, quite revealing. It seems to be signalling that, in the long run, maybe the innovative, the "latest and greatest," isn't nearly as important as the "flash in the pan" that grabs our attention today. It's actually a pretty common theme that comes up in discussions here and elsewhere.

Maybe, in the final analysis, it is more important to have a reliable, dependable, familiar performer. This has been very good to read and think about. I'm going to put all thoughts of new or different equipment on hold for now. Instead of going out looking for a second D850, I'm going to pull my D810 off the shelf and remind myself of just how much I liked it when I bought it.

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May 13, 2022 11:10:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bsprague wrote:
Could it be DJI got some of that from Hasselblad?


It's a Chinese company. You figure it out.

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