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May 13, 2022 12:19:09   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
jcboy3 wrote:
In June 1971, Nixon (a Republican) officially declared a “War on Drugs,” stating that drug abuse was “public enemy number one.”

Nixon lost Vietnam. Nixon lost the War on Drugs.


Nixon didn't lose Nam. He inherited a war that the dims started and had mismanaged for years and had no clue about how to extract themselves. Save your misguided opinions for yourself and other gullible dimmy robots.

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May 13, 2022 12:36:41   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
flip1948 wrote:
And just what is my attitude?

I posted asking the OP how he was going to blame this on Democrats...as he usually does. I then provided some background that it had nothing to do with Democrats...plain and simple.


Golly Gee Whallikers, just when I thought I could not have been clearer in my post. Your attitude seems to suggest the war on drugs never should have been started and that it is useless even today.

Your comment, "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the so called war on drugs was started by Republicans (Nixon and Reagan) and was based on a lie as confirmed by John E. in a 1994 interview. He should know since he was there and probably participated in it.", would seem to indicate negative feelings toward Nixon and Reagan for starting the war on drugs. Hence, my comment of, Shouldn't the federal government be doing something about drugs use in America. Shouldn't both parties be part of STOPPING drug use in America? Are you trying to tell us the drug use is bad? THAT is what I think your attitude is, that the war on drugs should never have been started to begin with.

I admit it has not been handled successfully but that has been from both sides of the aisle, not just Republicans. Tell us what Biden has been doing for America concerning the war on drugs. Something, ANYTHING? We know he has been supporting the Mexican drug cartels in bringing tons of f******l across the border, one of the most dangerous drugs ever seen in America. He has done nothing to stop China from manufacturing f******l and shipping it to Mexico to be brought here.

As usual you tend to blame ONLY Republicans in office while completely forgetting the war on drugs while Democrats are in office. Pretty piss poor attitude if you ask me. All of America and on both sides of the aisle should be against drugs in America from anywhere.

Dennis

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May 13, 2022 12:41:59   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Has the so called “ war on drugs” stopped people from using.

It always starts with demand .


Yes it does start with demand and demand can be stifled by taking serious measures against those who sell drugs. What has our President done about stopping drugs coming from Mexico? What has he done about stopping China from manufacturing f******l? Anything??? I seem to recall President Trump taking some action against China to stop them from shipping f******l. I would have to look it up but you can do that as well if you think I am mistaken.

What about stiff sentences for drug dealers at any level? Since drugs like heroin and f******l are k*****g thousands of Americans every year what about an automatic mandatory 10 year sentence for selling drugs, any drugs? Surely you do not support illegal drugs in America, do you?

When our politicians make it easier for Americans to use and obtain drugs then that aids the drug sellers, smugglers, manufacturers doesn't it?

Dennis

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May 13, 2022 12:44:19   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
fantom wrote:
Nixon didn't lose Nam. He inherited a war that the dims started and had mismanaged for years and had no clue about how to extract themselves. Save your misguided opinions for yourself and other gullible dimmy robots.




Well said and true. Our Democratic politicians and Left Wing anti American protestors not only prolonged the war but also cause America to not come out on top. Continued bombing all across North Vietnam was working right up until the pussified Democrats called a halt. It was the Democrats who lost that war, pure and simple.

Dennis

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May 13, 2022 12:48:08   #
jcboy3
 
fantom wrote:
Nixon didn't lose Nam. He inherited a war that the dims started and had mismanaged for years and had no clue about how to extract themselves. Save your misguided opinions for yourself and other gullible dimmy robots.


He bombed Cambodia in an attempt to win the war.

Nixon became President in Jan, 1969, and resigned in Aug 1974. The Paris Agreement was signed in Jan, 1973, ending direct US involvement in the war. Leaving North Vietnam to eventually take Saigon in April, 1975.

So yes, Nixon lost the war. And yes, he did find a way to extract the US from the war; sign on the dotted line and leave.

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May 13, 2022 12:51:49   #
jcboy3
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Yes it does start with demand and demand can be stifled by taking serious measures against those who sell drugs. What has our President done about stopping drugs coming from Mexico? What has he done about stopping China from manufacturing f******l? Anything??? I seem to recall President Trump taking some action against China to stop them from shipping f******l. I would have to look it up but you can do that as well if you think I am mistaken.

What about stiff sentences for drug dealers at any level? Since drugs like heroin and f******l are k*****g thousands of Americans every year what about an automatic mandatory 10 year sentence for selling drugs, any drugs? Surely you do not support illegal drugs in America, do you?

When our politicians make it easier for Americans to use and obtain drugs then that aids the drug sellers, smugglers, manufacturers doesn't it?

Dennis
Yes it does start with demand and demand can be st... (show quote)


Including alcohol and cigarettes, which are each more dangerous than most illegal drugs.

Wait, that didn't work, either.

Let people be free.

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May 13, 2022 13:01:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Including alcohol and cigarettes, which are each more dangerous than most illegal drugs.

Wait, that didn't work, either.

Let people be free.


That is a lie and you know it. Alcohol and cigarettes generally speaking do not affect others who do not use them unless it is a drunk driver who k**ls someone in an accident. Cigarettes will cause cancer in some but generally not in non smokers.

Drugs negatively affect all of us. Drug addicts steal from families, burglarize homes, rob stores and others for money to obtain drugs. The hard drugs themselves cause death just from usage. Heroin and f******l are known k**lers from overdose numbering in the thousands every year in America.

Let people be free to what, use drugs until they are dead, until the cost of drugs through theft numbers in the Millions to Billions all across America. Can you give me one good use for illegal drugs in America other than your ridiculous comment, let people be free?

As a LEO I personally arrested people under the influence of drugs, saw people incarcerated going through withdrawals, saw the same drug addicts brought to the jail time after time, families broken up, arrested burglary and robbery suspects who stole for their drug habit. Saw one heroin addict who was dead from an overdose with the needle still stuck in his arm. Some kinda fun, huh?

Dennis

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May 13, 2022 13:42:05   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Let people be free to what, use drugs until they are dead


With all the radio, TV and internet warnings on using drugs, maybe dead is the correct solution.

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May 13, 2022 13:52:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
travelwp wrote:
With all the radio, TV and internet warnings on using drugs, maybe dead is the correct solution.


After arresting one dealer and lots of users in the 70's some of them appeared dead and/or would have been better off dead. Imagine being addicted to/being a s***e to a pill, an injection etc. And all so some people can feel like they are living FREE while the rest of America pays for it. How the Left can make that look inviting is beyond my common sense way of seeing things.

Dennis

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May 13, 2022 14:05:32   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Yes it does start with demand and demand can be stifled by taking serious measures against those who sell drugs. What has our President done about stopping drugs coming from Mexico? What has he done about stopping China from manufacturing f******l? Anything??? I seem to recall President Trump taking some action against China to stop them from shipping f******l. I would have to look it up but you can do that as well if you think I am mistaken.

What about stiff sentences for drug dealers at any level? Since drugs like heroin and f******l are k*****g thousands of Americans every year what about an automatic mandatory 10 year sentence for selling drugs, any drugs? Surely you do not support illegal drugs in America, do you?

When our politicians make it easier for Americans to use and obtain drugs then that aids the drug sellers, smugglers, manufacturers doesn't it?

Dennis
Yes it does start with demand and demand can be st... (show quote)


“””” Yes it does start with demand and demand can be stifled by taking serious measures against those who sell drugs.


Isn’t that a really dumb statement.
Yes it “demand “but let’s start with “ suppliers”


“”””

What you describe in the rest of your post is the same totally failed “ war on drugs “ and nothing more.

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May 13, 2022 14:06:07   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
dennis2146 wrote:
arrested burglary and robbery suspects


Where you worked, did the government insure that criminals were put in jail, or did the release them back onto the streets ?

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May 13, 2022 15:46:32   #
jcboy3
 
DennyT wrote:
“””” Yes it does start with demand and demand can be stifled by taking serious measures against those who sell drugs.


Isn’t that a really dumb statement.
Yes it “demand “but let’s start with “ suppliers”


“”””

What you describe in the rest of your post is the same totally failed “ war on drugs “ and nothing more.


What you need is mandatory drug testing and the death penalty for anyone that fails the drug test.

Also the death penalty for anyone that has more than $1000 dollars in cash on them.

And the death penalty for anyone promoting harmful drugs, such as alcohol and nicotine.

And the death penalty for anyone caught with their pants down.

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May 13, 2022 19:34:34   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Also the death penalty for anyone that has more than $1000 dollars in cash on them.


That would wipe out congress.

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May 13, 2022 19:54:57   #
flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Golly Gee Whallikers, just when I thought I could not have been clearer in my post. Your attitude seems to suggest the war on drugs never should have been started and that it is useless even today....


You, once again, are making assumptions about someone based on nothing.

I posted some factual information about the start of the so called "war on drugs" with a statement from John Erlichman indicating that it was based on a lie and more a war on certain segments of the population and not a real war on drugs.

I made no personal assessments or value judgements other than that. Don't try and put words in my mouth to suit your agenda.

Homey don't play that.

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May 13, 2022 20:59:05   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
travelwp wrote:
That would wipe out congress.


GREAT GREAT GREAT

We can only hope, but that would be a tremendous start to turning this country around.

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