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Apr 16, 2022 12:38:19   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
The cycle will never end. Mankind is the largest threat to mankind.


And finding another planet to destroy would be a big mistake.

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Apr 16, 2022 12:43:09   #
Canisdirus
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
The cycle will never end. Mankind is the largest threat to mankind. The industrialized nations continue to push their needs, and problems, onto the lesser developed nations where their people are "out of sight and out of mind" and thus become 'disposable' to fulfill the needs of other nations.


As opposed to global poverty?

The west via capitalism has lifted mankind up in many ways not ever seen before...everyone.

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Apr 16, 2022 12:43:47   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Canisdirus wrote:
As opposed to global poverty?

The west via capitalism has lifted mankind up in many ways not ever seen before...everyone.


But only some of mankind.

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Apr 16, 2022 12:46:01   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Everybody has been exploited at one time or another. No 'race' holds the trump card there.
Southern England was routinely raided for 's***es' to be brought back to the Barbary coast...white s***es.

It goes on to this very day...more s***ery in the world right now than there was at the time of the US Civil War.


All true. It has never been justified except to the people who profit from it. Most people who buy the goods and services that this practice provides have been blind to it. There have been some exceptions, but it doesn't stop it overall.

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Apr 16, 2022 12:57:29   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
jerryc41 wrote:
But only some of mankind.


Because of the inherent nature of mankind, no system ever has been perfect, nor will be. The best results - for the entire planet - have come from "capitalism". Whether you wish to call them "progressive", or what they really are, all the others have led to failure, stupidly repeated over and over again, with a blind eye to the past, orchestrated by the power hungry!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Apr 16, 2022 14:29:12   #
Atary
 
The push is on to electrify the fleet. But there is no push to expand the electric grid. In fact some of the dams are being taken down and nuclear generating plants have been decommissioned. The push is on to regulate the consumption of electricity for air conditioning during heat waves and the electricity costs are increasing. Has anyone given any thought of where the electricity will come from in the future? Solar panels and wind turbines are unreliable and the sun does not shine all the time and the wind does not blow all the time either.

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Apr 16, 2022 14:34:35   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Atary wrote:
Solar panels and wind turbines are unreliable and the sun does not shine all the time and the wind does not blow all the time either.

Battery storage could mitigate this. There is some movement in this direction. The real problem at the moment is that there isn't enough green power to replace power from f****l f**ls and nuclear, and there aren't enough batteries to store it. Will there ever be? Who knows which way the wind will blow on this?

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Apr 16, 2022 15:31:43   #
bonjac Loc: Santa Ynez, CA 93460
 
rlv567 wrote:
Because of the inherent nature of mankind, no system ever has been perfect, nor will be. The best results - for the entire planet - have come from "capitalism". Whether you wish to call them "progressive", or what they really are, all the others have led to failure, stupidly repeated over and over again, with a blind eye to the past, orchestrated by the power hungry!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


The best results have come from capitalism? Really? How are you measuring results? The primary objective of capitalism is the accumulation of wealth at the expense of everything else. A country's economic system should serve the well being of all its citizens. Capitalism can do that if it is structured to. Unfettered capitalism is a monster. Seems to me 'progressives' are merely pointing out the shortcomings of our version of capitalism. Our version is terribly flawed due to influence peddling by those who accumulate the most wealth. The IRS code is mainly a codification of special interest favors to those grand accumulators of wealth. I agree that no system is perfect but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do so IF WE WANT A SYSTEM THAT SERVES WELL BEING OF ALL ITS CITIZENS.

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Apr 16, 2022 17:06:48   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
The cycle will never end. Mankind is the largest threat to mankind. The industrialized nations continue to push their needs, and problems, onto the lesser developed nations where their people are "out of sight and out of mind" and thus become 'disposable' to fulfill the needs of other nations.



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Apr 16, 2022 17:20:38   #
SteveFranz Loc: Durham, NC
 
The current regime in Washington professes to be concerned about G****l W*****g. If so, why are they talking about releasing millions of barrels of crude oil from the Strategic Reserve to reduce gasoline prices and encourage consumption????

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Apr 16, 2022 17:38:51   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
SteveFranz wrote:
The current regime in Washington professes to be concerned about G****l W*****g. If so, why are they talking about releasing millions of barrels of crude oil from the Strategic Reserve to reduce gasoline prices and encourage consumption????


Because people are pissed off at gas prices, and this is becoming very unpopular. Unfortunately, the prices are set by the oil companies, and they can do wh**ever they want no matter how much is added to the supply.

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Apr 17, 2022 08:41:19   #
SteveFranz Loc: Durham, NC
 
therwol wrote:
Because people are pissed off at gas prices, and this is becoming very unpopular. Unfortunately, the prices are set by the oil companies, and they can do wh**ever they want no matter how much is added to the supply.


My point exactly. The hypocrisy of the politicians - pretending to be concerned about g****l w*****g, when in reality the thought of being unpopular and losing v**es is more important to them.

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Apr 18, 2022 07:34:17   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
Bmarsh wrote:
Well, think about this? A few weeks ago there was a huge pileup of cars and trucks in PA in snow and cold weather. I am sure traffic was backed up for miles. Now image if all those miles of cars were electric, and soon their occupants would be freezing in their "dead" electric cars much less what a job it would be to haul them all to the nearest charging station.

No one is thinking this through.


What? So we don't develope electric vehicles because there might be a pile up in the winter and people might freeze?
It takes time to develope technology. Remember the first cars ... they'll never replace the horse. Then the first airplane.. if man were ment to fly. Kodak's attitude about copy machines and digital photography. Even the "Iron Horse" had it's detractors.. Attitudes of our military about jet engines and flying wings during WW2 and the rocket before Sputnik. Any vehicle that runs out of fuel will have to be hauled to a charging/ gas station to be refuled.

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Apr 18, 2022 11:19:51   #
Greg from Romeoville illinois Loc: Romeoville illinois
 
GreenReaper wrote:
Let me know your thoughts.


This should be posted in the attic?

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Apr 18, 2022 12:16:09   #
Bmarsh Loc: Bellaire, MI
 
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
What? So we don't develope electric vehicles because there might be a pile up in the winter and people might freeze?
It takes time to develope technology. Remember the first cars ... they'll never replace the horse. Then the first airplane.. if man were ment to fly. Kodak's attitude about copy machines and digital photography. Even the "Iron Horse" had it's detractors.. Attitudes of our military about jet engines and flying wings during WW2 and the rocket before Sputnik. Any vehicle that runs out of fuel will have to be hauled to a charging/ gas station to be refuled.
What? So we don't develope electric vehicles becau... (show quote)


A lot of gas can be hauled by one truck. Electricity cannot. I agree with most of what you say but I don't think this country is ready for the EVs YET. But the politicians are pushing it waaay too early.

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