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Feb 28, 2022 10:31:27   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
It sounds like you prioritise lens brightness over zoom range, so the Pana ZS100 (TZ100 in Europe) won't impress you with its 25-250mm (equiv) lens. However, most reviews rated the ZS100 image quality and features to be at least as good as the RX100 range. And you'll probably find a second hand one that's cheaper than the Sonys. This was shot with a ZS100 handheld.
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ZS100 (TZ100), post processed.
ZS100 (TZ100), post processed....
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Feb 28, 2022 10:47:28   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Bison Bud wrote:
As an older, disabled, hobbyist, I have become increasing interested in getting a high quality, pocket sized camera, but due to my fixed income and rather low hobby budget, I have not yet made a decision and plunked down the cash. I have been saving for quite some time for this type of purchase, but really need to get the most out of it as it may well be the camera I finish out my photographic endeavors with along side my Pentax K3. Anyway, I have done a lot of online research and it's obvious that what I really want is the Sony RX100 MK-VII, but the sticker shock is painful to say the least! Even good used models are near $1000.00 and that's if you can even find one. I might be able to settle for the RX100 VR, but it too is still pricey for me and even harder to find used or refurbished. So, I am now leaning toward a Canon G5X MK-II or possibly even a G7X MK-III. I'd rather have the G5X primarily due to the pop up viewfinder, but these still go for around $900.00 new and I have yet to find a used one up for sale. The G7X doesn't have a viewfinder, but I can find them for sale used at a reasonable price (around $450.00) However, the auto focus on both Canon models is not their current phase detect system and I've read some reviews that mentioned focus issues with the G7X. This brings me right back to the Sony Models that clearly have the superior focus systems, I just can't seem to spend that kind of money on one, at least not yet. Frankly, I'd really like to keep my budget under $700.00 and I'm not against buying refurbished or used if the unit is in great shape and it saves me some money. Therefore, I have also recently reviewed some of the Panasonic and Fuji models and they seem to have a lot of bang for the bucks, with some Panasonic models being well within my price range. However, the reviews aren't all that great and I keep thinking that the Sony is the one I really want. So, unless the group here can show me a really good option within my current price range, I guess I'm going to have to keep saving or sell something and even then it's going to be very hard for me to plunk down the cash needed for the Sony RX100 either new or used (I bought my last 3 DLSR's for less than that combined). Anyone got any good suggestions on alternatives? I'd especially like to hear about experiences with the Panasonic models from folks that have actually used them. Thanks for any input here and good luck and good shooting to all.
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I have a Sony RX100, first version, and used it to learn RAW shooting and Lightroom. Photography functions were fantastic. I developed a "need" to shoot 4K video. At the time, Sony was a little slow providing that. My solution was to buy a Panasonic LX100. It won't quite fit small pockets like the Sony, but the sensor is bigger and the price is lower. It is a little different in that manual settings are on external control rings or knobs. It is my go to travel camera.

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Feb 28, 2022 10:50:17   #
photoman43
 
To keep the cost down, you have two options--buy a used model and/or one with a sensor smaller than 1 inch. And decide what features you need the most--focal length range for the zoom lens and RAW plus Jpeg or just Jpeg just to name two.

I own a Nikon coolpix camera similar to the Nikon P7800 (no longer made). Its sensor is smaller than 1 inch but larger than 1/2.3inch. It shoots in RAW or Jpeg. It is great for travel.

The current "version" is the Nikon COOLPIX A1000 Digital Camera but its sensor is 1/2.3 inch. But it sells for under $500 new. Other companies make similar cameras too.

I would check out any possible camera at DP Review

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-compact-zoom-cameras

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Feb 28, 2022 11:02:13   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
photoman43 wrote:
To keep the cost down, you have two options--buy a used model and/or one with a sensor smaller than 1 inch. And decide what features you need the most--focal length range for the zoom lens and RAW plus Jpeg or just Jpeg just to name two.

I own a Nikon coolpix camera similar to the Nikon P7800 (no longer made). Its sensor is smaller than 1 inch but larger than 1/2.3inch. It shoots in RAW or Jpeg. It is great for travel.

The current "version" is the Nikon COOLPIX A1000 Digital Camera but its sensor is 1/2.3 inch. But it sells for under $500 new. Other companies make similar cameras too.

I would check out any possible camera at DP Review

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-compact-zoom-cameras
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If you go to smaller sensors, don't leave out the Sony DSC-HX99. New is $475.

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Feb 28, 2022 11:47:40   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
R.G. wrote:
It sounds like you prioritise lens brightness over zoom range, so the Pana ZS100 (TZ100 in Europe) won't impress you with its 25-250mm (equiv) lens. However, most reviews rated the ZS100 image quality and features to be at least as good as the RX100 range. And you'll probably find a second hand one that's cheaper than the Sonys. This was shot with a ZS100 handheld.
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Soothing and serene view, beautifully shot ✨✨✨✨✨

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Feb 28, 2022 13:42:28   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
joecichjr wrote:
Soothing and serene view, beautifully shot ✨✨✨✨✨


Thank you.

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Mar 1, 2022 06:47:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bison Bud wrote:
As an older, disabled, hobbyist, I have become increasing interested in getting a high quality, pocket sized camera, but due to my fixed income and rather low hobby budget, I have not yet made a decision and plunked down the cash. I have been saving for quite some time for this type of purchase, but really need to get the most out of it as it may well be the camera I finish out my photographic endeavors with along side my Pentax K3. Anyway, I have done a lot of online research and it's obvious that what I really want is the Sony RX100 MK-VII, but the sticker shock is painful to say the least! Even good used models are near $1000.00 and that's if you can even find one. I might be able to settle for the RX100 VR, but it too is still pricey for me and even harder to find used or refurbished. So, I am now leaning toward a Canon G5X MK-II or possibly even a G7X MK-III. I'd rather have the G5X primarily due to the pop up viewfinder, but these still go for around $900.00 new and I have yet to find a used one up for sale. The G7X doesn't have a viewfinder, but I can find them for sale used at a reasonable price (around $450.00) However, the auto focus on both Canon models is not their current phase detect system and I've read some reviews that mentioned focus issues with the G7X. This brings me right back to the Sony Models that clearly have the superior focus systems, I just can't seem to spend that kind of money on one, at least not yet. Frankly, I'd really like to keep my budget under $700.00 and I'm not against buying refurbished or used if the unit is in great shape and it saves me some money. Therefore, I have also recently reviewed some of the Panasonic and Fuji models and they seem to have a lot of bang for the bucks, with some Panasonic models being well within my price range. However, the reviews aren't all that great and I keep thinking that the Sony is the one I really want. So, unless the group here can show me a really good option within my current price range, I guess I'm going to have to keep saving or sell something and even then it's going to be very hard for me to plunk down the cash needed for the Sony RX100 either new or used (I bought my last 3 DLSR's for less than that combined). Anyone got any good suggestions on alternatives? I'd especially like to hear about experiences with the Panasonic models from folks that have actually used them. Thanks for any input here and good luck and good shooting to all.
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The pain of spending a few hundred dollars to get the best out there is brief. The regret of not getting what you really want will be there every time you pick up the camera that you got as a compromise.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Premium-Compact-1-0-type-DSCRX100M7/dp/B07XP8LPFL/ref=sr_1_5?crid=27PO84TP1I9XD&keywords=sony+rx100+vii&qid=1646135045&s=electronics&sprefix=Sony+RX100%2Celectronics%2C102&sr=1-5

$958 for a renewed Sony RX100 VII is not bad for a $1300 camera.

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Mar 1, 2022 07:47:02   #
banjoboy Loc: Austin, TX
 
Before you buy an RX100 (any model) be sure to try one out for a bit and be sure it works in your hands. I’ve owned 3 different models and the ergonomics just didn’t work for me. Resulting images were great but the handling was just too frustrating in the end.

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Mar 1, 2022 07:55:18   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Hip Coyote is not Hip... Using the elitist negative degrading dismissive phrase "Point and Shoot" described my Aunt Sally's $30 junk camera. The modern compact Superzoom cameras are highly sophisticated photographic instruments and certainly do not cost $30 as Jerry lists elucidate. I suggest only considering those with a 1" sensor if budget allows.

Often the "last year's" models are discounted when the new comes out, as was my TZ100 when the TZ200 was introduced. The same goes for the Sony RX series which uses Roman-Numerals suggesting that only those who took Latin in High School should buy them. These cameras were the favorite of Roman Emporers as far back as the first century.
"Nulla RX imago magna factorem"

My Panasonic TZ100 has a 1" sensor, Leica zoom lens, and fantastic electronic in-camera processing for both stills and for video... Even grabbing 8 mpix still from a video burst. With modern AI software, 8 mpix is sufficient for enlarging with pixel multiply AI software. Sophisticated ... Yet!! sleeps well in one's pocket ready to wake when the image of the moment happens.

PS: Bison Bud, Jerry's files are more complete than are those of the Library of Congress.

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Mar 1, 2022 08:10:44   #
TommiRulz Loc: Corpus Christi, TX
 
I owned both the Canon G7Xmii, and G5Xmii, - I tried so much to love them but they were terrible! The autofocus was super funky. I sold them both - and opened a line of credit at Adorama to purchase the Sony RX100 vii. Best decision ever. If you already have $700 saved - I would keep saving or open a credit card for the rest. I like the Panasonics, they are beautiful cameras - but the Sony is still better

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Mar 1, 2022 08:13:38   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
Bison Bud wrote:
As an older, disabled, hobbyist, I have become increasing interested in getting a high quality, pocket sized camera, but due to my fixed income and rather low hobby budget, I have not yet made a decision and plunked down the cash. I have been saving for quite some time for this type of purchase, but really need to get the most out of it as it may well be the camera I finish out my photographic endeavors with along side my Pentax K3. Anyway, I have done a lot of online research and it's obvious that what I really want is the Sony RX100 MK-VII, but the sticker shock is painful to say the least! Even good used models are near $1000.00 and that's if you can even find one. I might be able to settle for the RX100 VR, but it too is still pricey for me and even harder to find used or refurbished. So, I am now leaning toward a Canon G5X MK-II or possibly even a G7X MK-III. I'd rather have the G5X primarily due to the pop up viewfinder, but these still go for around $900.00 new and I have yet to find a used one up for sale. The G7X doesn't have a viewfinder, but I can find them for sale used at a reasonable price (around $450.00) However, the auto focus on both Canon models is not their current phase detect system and I've read some reviews that mentioned focus issues with the G7X. This brings me right back to the Sony Models that clearly have the superior focus systems, I just can't seem to spend that kind of money on one, at least not yet. Frankly, I'd really like to keep my budget under $700.00 and I'm not against buying refurbished or used if the unit is in great shape and it saves me some money. Therefore, I have also recently reviewed some of the Panasonic and Fuji models and they seem to have a lot of bang for the bucks, with some Panasonic models being well within my price range. However, the reviews aren't all that great and I keep thinking that the Sony is the one I really want. So, unless the group here can show me a really good option within my current price range, I guess I'm going to have to keep saving or sell something and even then it's going to be very hard for me to plunk down the cash needed for the Sony RX100 either new or used (I bought my last 3 DLSR's for less than that combined). Anyone got any good suggestions on alternatives? I'd especially like to hear about experiences with the Panasonic models from folks that have actually used them. Thanks for any input here and good luck and good shooting to all.
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I carry a Canon G15 for a compact camera, out of production but should be available used, YMMV, Bob.

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Mar 1, 2022 08:21:05   #
rfreudenheim
 
If you buy the RX100VII you won’t be disappointed. Also-but the hard case that is designed for that camera. The physics cal protection is worth it.

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Mar 1, 2022 08:58:59   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Jerry has quite a list of cameras to consider. Be sure to KEH and MPB for quality used gear.

Perhaps you might consider Olympus PENF (used), or Olympus EM-10 series camera.

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Mar 1, 2022 09:00:46   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Bison Bud wrote:
As an older, disabled, hobbyist, I have become increasing interested in getting a high quality, pocket sized camera, but due to my fixed income and rather low hobby budget, I have not yet made a decision and plunked down the cash. I have been saving for quite some time for this type of purchase, but really need to get the most out of it as it may well be the camera I finish out my photographic endeavors with along side my Pentax K3. Anyway, I have done a lot of online research and it's obvious that what I really want is the Sony RX100 MK-VII, but the sticker shock is painful to say the least! Even good used models are near $1000.00 and that's if you can even find one. I might be able to settle for the RX100 VR, but it too is still pricey for me and even harder to find used or refurbished. So, I am now leaning toward a Canon G5X MK-II or possibly even a G7X MK-III. I'd rather have the G5X primarily due to the pop up viewfinder, but these still go for around $900.00 new and I have yet to find a used one up for sale. The G7X doesn't have a viewfinder, but I can find them for sale used at a reasonable price (around $450.00) However, the auto focus on both Canon models is not their current phase detect system and I've read some reviews that mentioned focus issues with the G7X. This brings me right back to the Sony Models that clearly have the superior focus systems, I just can't seem to spend that kind of money on one, at least not yet. Frankly, I'd really like to keep my budget under $700.00 and I'm not against buying refurbished or used if the unit is in great shape and it saves me some money. Therefore, I have also recently reviewed some of the Panasonic and Fuji models and they seem to have a lot of bang for the bucks, with some Panasonic models being well within my price range. However, the reviews aren't all that great and I keep thinking that the Sony is the one I really want. So, unless the group here can show me a really good option within my current price range, I guess I'm going to have to keep saving or sell something and even then it's going to be very hard for me to plunk down the cash needed for the Sony RX100 either new or used (I bought my last 3 DLSR's for less than that combined). Anyone got any good suggestions on alternatives? I'd especially like to hear about experiences with the Panasonic models from folks that have actually used them. Thanks for any input here and good luck and good shooting to all.
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https://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/rx100-vii.htm
My choice for a compact, and I am a Canon guy.
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

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Mar 1, 2022 09:19:59   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Bison Bud wrote:
As an older, disabled, hobbyist, I have become increasing interested in getting a high quality, pocket sized camera, but due to my fixed income and rather low hobby budget, I have not yet made a decision and plunked down the cash. I have been saving for quite some time for this type of purchase, but really need to get the most out of it as it may well be the camera I finish out my photographic endeavors with along side my Pentax K3. Anyway, I have done a lot of online research and it's obvious that what I really want is the Sony RX100 MK-VII, but the sticker shock is painful to say the least! Even good used models are near $1000.00 and that's if you can even find one. I might be able to settle for the RX100 VR, but it too is still pricey for me and even harder to find used or refurbished. So, I am now leaning toward a Canon G5X MK-II or possibly even a G7X MK-III. I'd rather have the G5X primarily due to the pop up viewfinder, but these still go for around $900.00 new and I have yet to find a used one up for sale. The G7X doesn't have a viewfinder, but I can find them for sale used at a reasonable price (around $450.00) However, the auto focus on both Canon models is not their current phase detect system and I've read some reviews that mentioned focus issues with the G7X. This brings me right back to the Sony Models that clearly have the superior focus systems, I just can't seem to spend that kind of money on one, at least not yet. Frankly, I'd really like to keep my budget under $700.00 and I'm not against buying refurbished or used if the unit is in great shape and it saves me some money. Therefore, I have also recently reviewed some of the Panasonic and Fuji models and they seem to have a lot of bang for the bucks, with some Panasonic models being well within my price range. However, the reviews aren't all that great and I keep thinking that the Sony is the one I really want. So, unless the group here can show me a really good option within my current price range, I guess I'm going to have to keep saving or sell something and even then it's going to be very hard for me to plunk down the cash needed for the Sony RX100 either new or used (I bought my last 3 DLSR's for less than that combined). Anyone got any good suggestions on alternatives? I'd especially like to hear about experiences with the Panasonic models from folks that have actually used them. Thanks for any input here and good luck and good shooting to all.
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You said you looked at Fuji. I would suggest seriously considering the X-E3. It should go for under $700 used. I have the older X-E2 for my compact camera and I love it.

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