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Feb 25, 2022 21:35:44   #
gener202002
 
Hello everyone

I am not a professional photographer, and have a lot to learn. That being said, I have sold a number of pictures over the last years by being lucky. But I have been having more problems than usual lately, and while I have a pretty good average of my pictures accepted by photo agencies, more lately have been not accepted than in the past. I have taken a much more critical look at my pictures lately, and am not happy with them. I feel it is time I learned to step up to a new level. Lately, the pictures have seemed noisier than usual, need more sharpening, which seems to increase noise, and when viewed on a 70 inch tv at 100% I see some color fringing, usually white or grey, around the limbs of trees and such. I am using a mirrorless camera with a professional 24-105 lens. I never used to notice this, but I do now. Getting rid of that fringe could take me a lot of time if I could do it at all. Especially around numerous tree branches. I am submitting a picture that I hope that those who have the time can give me severe criticism of the following picture, and/or suggestions for improvement. I realize that that does take time for people to do, and I do appreciate it.

Anyway, I wonder what criticisms can be thrown at this particular picture. It looks much brighter on my tv than on my pc, so I have darkened it some. I have, to a small amount decolored it as well, but not too much. I also cropped in on the bottom just a little due to a wall I thought was just a little distracting.

Any help would be appreciated.


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Feb 25, 2022 21:44:00   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
It looks overprocessed to me.

There's some strange things going on at what looks like a light at bottom 1/4 from the left, and also trees bottom right.

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Feb 25, 2022 22:15:02   #
gener202002
 
Grahame wrote:
It looks overprocessed to me.

There's some strange things going on at what looks like a light at bottom 1/4 from the left, and also trees bottom right.


You might be referring to the lampposts, which seem to have a gray aura around them. I think that after I cropped the picture I should have taken the time to edit those lampposts out with spot heal. Will see what that does for the picture.

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Feb 25, 2022 22:46:22   #
Craigdca Loc: Pasadena, California
 
It could be that the TV is set to game mode or extra bright/contrast/sharp. at that size it might be pixel peeping too. My 60” seems to sharpen my photos. I view my pics on my iPhone to check the overall quality.

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Feb 25, 2022 23:40:10   #
gener202002
 
Craigdca wrote:
It could be that the TV is set to game mode or extra bright/contrast/sharp. at that size it might be pixel peeping too. My 60” seems to sharpen my photos. I view my pics on my iPhone to check the overall quality.



Thanks, Craig

I have noticed I get different images on larger tv's than on the computer. I think it must have to do with some settings somewhere. I wonder, when other people look at it, especially at agencies, which image are they seeing? One like the computer? Or one like the tv?

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Feb 26, 2022 00:43:34   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
gener202002 wrote:
You might be referring to the lampposts, which seem to have a gray aura around them. I think that after I cropped the picture I should have taken the time to edit those lampposts out with spot heal. Will see what that does for the picture.


For clarity my reference to the lamp-post with the 'aura' around it was with respect to what you are doing in post to cause such an anomaly to happen.

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Feb 26, 2022 01:07:17   #
Craigdca Loc: Pasadena, California
 
gener202002 wrote:
Thanks, Craig

I have noticed I get different images on larger tv's than on the computer. I think it must have to do with some settings somewhere. I wonder, when other people look at it, especially at agencies, which image are they seeing? One like the computer? Or one like the tv?


Yes! I wonder about how the photo looks on the viewer’s screen, too. I’ll have to learn about printing one of these days to ensure consistency in the presentation.

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Feb 26, 2022 01:24:40   #
gener202002
 
Grahame wrote:
For clarity my reference to the lamp-post with the 'aura' around it was with respect to what you are doing in post to cause such an anomaly to happen.


To be honest, I don't know.

Thanks

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Feb 26, 2022 01:30:25   #
Craigdca Loc: Pasadena, California
 
“ I see some color fringing, usually white or grey, around the limbs of trees and such.”

Could be from sharpening, saturation or vibrance, and contrast.

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Feb 26, 2022 02:01:35   #
gener202002
 
Craigdca wrote:
“ I see some color fringing, usually white or grey, around the limbs of trees and such.”

Could be from sharpening, saturation or vibrance, and contrast.


Yes, sharpening does seem to increase the noise. Someone mentioned to me Topaz sharpening. It does cost a little though, I may get it later. Sharpening in camera raw doesn't seem to do exactly what I want to do, I do have a few other options that I am going to work on. I'm can't seem to do anything with "smart sharpening." And the lens I am using is a professional lens, and I never used to notice that problem so much.

Thanks,

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Feb 26, 2022 02:14:37   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
gener202002 wrote:
Yes, sharpening does seem to increase the noise. Someone mentioned to me Topaz sharpening. It does cost a little though, I may get it later. Sharpening in camera raw doesn't seem to do exactly what I want to do, I do have a few other options that I am going to work on. I'm can't seem to do anything with "smart sharpening." And the lens I am using is a professional lens, and I never used to notice that problem so much.

Thanks,


For pictures such as you have posted above you should not need to look for or use any type of specialist sharpening. It is shot at 1/800 sec, f/8, ISO 250, Compensation: +2/3. Low ISO and around sweet spot of lens.

What is it you "exactly want to do" with sharpening?

Are you using a standard sharpening procedure such as?;

a) Capture Sharpen in raw converter (say ACR) to compensate for loss by the AA filter
b) Creative sharpen localized to accent any specific area, e.g. eyes
c) Output sharpen for final image size/purpose, e.g. screen size or print

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Feb 26, 2022 06:09:10   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
The fringing could be due to the lens but more likely it's due to sharpening. If you aren't using the Lens Corrections Profile tab (which includes CA removal), you should be. You say you're using ACR but you don't say if you're shooting raw files or jpeg. In-camera sharpening (which jpegs get - but not raw) is relatively crude and more likely to give the tight haloing (the white fringing) that your image has. Be aware that if you're using DPP to render the raw files it will probably be picking up on the in-camera settings that you're using for in-camera jpegs, which would include sharpening.

In ACR, if you don't want the sharpening to affect the noise, use the Masking slider in the sharpening tool in the Details section. You want the sharpening to be edges only. I find a Masking setting of about 60-80 is about right for most images. If you hold down the Alt key while working the Masking slider you'll see what's going to be affected and what's not. I find radius settings between 1.5 and 2.5 are usually OK, plus a Detail setting of ~20-25 (less if the image is noisy), which will allow quite high Amount settings (depending on what's required and what the noise levels are it could be anywhere between 50 and 150). With edge-based sharpening it's usually only small amounts of denoise that are needed.

The bleeding that you see round the lamppost could be due to going negative with the Sharpen slider or it could be the Clarity slider. If you want vividness you're better to use Contrast first and foremost, and use Clarity only for some final tweaking at the end of the edit. Large amounts of positive or negative Clarity can be problematic.

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Feb 26, 2022 08:36:13   #
Bayou
 
I find this a very compelling image, but I'm bothered by the crop. I'd take a bit off the left side to center the image (the sun), and totally remove the lamp post at the lower left.

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Feb 26, 2022 09:47:15   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
What’s the end display media for the photos you sell, a print or a screen? Decide what the is and shoot for that level of quality in your editing. Screen displays all have differing technology and display specs, screen resolution and all that that involves. Photos on a screen are lighted through the back, on a print from the front. There will always be a difference. To view on a screen, set the photo's resolution at what the screen can handle. Anything higher will be lost in the translation. These are just my ramblings. Others may differ.

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Feb 26, 2022 10:17:25   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
gener202002 wrote:
Hello everyone

I am not a professional photographer, and have a lot to learn. That being said, I have sold a number of pictures over the last years by being lucky. But I have been having more problems than usual lately, and while I have a pretty good average of my pictures accepted by photo agencies, more lately have been not accepted than in the past. I have taken a much more critical look at my pictures lately, and am not happy with them. I feel it is time I learned to step up to a new level. Lately, the pictures have seemed noisier than usual, need more sharpening, which seems to increase noise, and when viewed on a 70 inch tv at 100% I see some color fringing, usually white or grey, around the limbs of trees and such. I am using a mirrorless camera with a professional 24-105 lens. I never used to notice this, but I do now. Getting rid of that fringe could take me a lot of time if I could do it at all. Especially around numerous tree branches. I am submitting a picture that I hope that those who have the time can give me severe criticism of the following picture, and/or suggestions for improvement. I realize that that does take time for people to do, and I do appreciate it.

Anyway, I wonder what criticisms can be thrown at this particular picture. It looks much brighter on my tv than on my pc, so I have darkened it some. I have, to a small amount decolored it as well, but not too much. I also cropped in on the bottom just a little due to a wall I thought was just a little distracting.

Any help would be appreciated.
Hello everyone br br I am not a professional phot... (show quote)


I'm sorry but 998KB in download isn't enough to work with for my skills, even with Topaz Products.
I couldn't overcome the existing fringing.
Please see the attached, my-take on your pic.
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends


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