"Me" or "I"
Feb 17, 2022 08:53:27 #
Fully agree with the original post. I get tired of hearing people say "Me and him went to the store." It seems a lot of students missed the subjective vs objective class in school.
Feb 17, 2022 09:00:38 #
Stephan G wrote:
Conveying accurate information verbally?
Especially in threads like these?
Especially in threads like these?
AMEN!
Feb 17, 2022 09:02:46 #
bikinkawboy
Loc: north central Missouri
I’ve always told my kids that it’s ok to talk slang, but you need to know how to talk properly when necessary. My daughter ended up getting a job transcribing accident victims statements for use at trials. With that wrong punctuation could cost your employer half a million bucks or more so you better darn well have things done right.
It also burns me when young people write the same way they text; no capitalization, no punctuation and acronyms.
I pointed that out to one kid and told him that he better not write like that on a job resume. He said that all young people would know what he was saying. I said the problem is, most likely the person reading his resume and offering the job would be an old bastard like me. He didn’t seem impressed. The last I know of, he was slinging burgers at Mc Ds.
It also burns me when young people write the same way they text; no capitalization, no punctuation and acronyms.
I pointed that out to one kid and told him that he better not write like that on a job resume. He said that all young people would know what he was saying. I said the problem is, most likely the person reading his resume and offering the job would be an old bastard like me. He didn’t seem impressed. The last I know of, he was slinging burgers at Mc Ds.
Feb 17, 2022 09:03:03 #
Bridges wrote:
You hit the nail on the head! That is the best description of what school is all about that I have seen. And sadly, the higher one goes in the journey through education, the indoctrination and social engineering just intensifies.
You both nailed it!!!
I have another (very strong) pet peeve, which is "affect" vs "effect", misused by many who should know better - even on the HOG! But that comes right back to the school thing, doesn't it? If you truly could affect the way everyone speaks, the effect would be marvelous! And then there are split infinitives, and - and --
Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Feb 17, 2022 09:10:08 #
bikinkawboy
Loc: north central Missouri
Just think if Winston Churchill had been educated today. I doubt his one liners would be as profound.
Feb 17, 2022 09:10:41 #
bikinkawboy wrote:
I’ve always told my kids that it’s ok to talk slan... (show quote)
Ill bet he didn get it.
Feb 17, 2022 09:12:17 #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
It has been 60 years since I took Latin last and haven't thought much in those terms since. But isn't an alumni a male "alum" and an alumna a female--both in the singular? I am not great in languages---but it seems this is my recollection. So---Latin scholars---speak up?------ (Of course if you are speaking Anglicized---then Alumnus---Alumnae. ------
Um, if you speak to a Roman, he will inform you that "-i" is the plural masculine. "-us" is the singular masculine. "Nauta" is one of the very few exceptions in that "-a" version is singular masculine. "-a" is singular feminine, and "-ae" is considered to be feminine plural. Of course, "-i" can be either plural masculine or masculine-feminine mix plural.
VALE
PS, For further edification, see https://www.etymonline.com/word/alumnus
Feb 17, 2022 09:16:03 #
Stephan G wrote:
Um, if you speak to a Roman, he will inform you th... (show quote)
Possibly also depends on the origin of the word, like Latin maybe?
I'll bet few people look at or understand where words originated.
They just use them. Many times erroneously.
Feb 17, 2022 09:25:05 #
Longshadow wrote:
Possibly also depends on the origin of the word, like Latin maybe?
I'll bet few people look at or understand where words originated.
They just use them. Many times erroneously.
Possibly also depends on the origin of the word, like Latin maybe?
I'll bet few people look at or understand where words originated.
They just use them. Many times erroneously.
Root word is "Alere". Latin.
Feb 17, 2022 09:30:07 #
jaymatt wrote:
I would so like to comment, but better judgement prohibits me from doing so. 
Thank goodness! I'm glad you didn't post anything!
Feb 17, 2022 09:33:42 #
rmm0605 wrote:
FINALLY!! Someone (Jerryc41) gets annoyed by the same things that annoy me. It's vs its is another one. It's easy to use the correct version in its place! It's means "it is." With that translation, you should never go wrong. Further, I vs. me; she vs. her--these are just as basic. "I gave she a bath." Really?
Yes, it does annoy me when people intentionally speak incorrectly. They don't want to appear to be too smart.
One of my recent annoyances is the excessive use of the word "of." "You don't have a big of enough box to hold all that." I don't why that has become so popular because it makes no sense at all. On police shows: "Whaddya got?"
Feb 17, 2022 10:36:39 #
OldSchool-WI wrote:
It has been 60 years since I took Latin last and haven't thought much in those terms since. But isn't an alumni a male "alum" and an alumna a female--both in the singular? I am not great in languages---but it seems this is my recollection. So---Latin scholars---speak up?------ (Of course if you are speaking Anglicized---then Alumnus---Alumnae. ------
As a male graduate of a school that has male and female students you would be an “alumnus” and your female classmate would be an “alumna”. Collectively you would be known as “alumni”. If the school had only female graduates they would be “alumnae”.
Feb 17, 2022 11:09:55 #
Feb 17, 2022 11:50:19 #
Feb 17, 2022 12:18:34 #
jerryc41 wrote:
This one annoys me. Some people think they will a... (show quote)
I both learned it and taught it that way too, Jerry. The problem is that because they hear the incorrect form so often in speech, it actually does sound "correct" to many learners.
A facet of this that I didn't notice in reading through the previous replies is the difference between oral and written language. It's not uncommon for people who "know better" to slip up in oral language but employ the correct forms in written language. When I taught (middle and high school levels), I used to tell my students that my goal in teaching them (when they asked the inevitable, "Why do we have to study this? We already know how to speak English.") was for them to at least know the grammatically "correct" form and have a choice about whether to use it or use a more informal level. Would also point out that many of the careers they might hope to pursue in their futures would reward the ability to use the "rules" correctly, and that I wanted them to have the tools necessary to do that if they needed to.
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.