SB Card Reader Problem Fixed (Page 2): Good info. Those users using a NAS with CIFS (SMB) protocol may find this discussion useful if they have issues connecting to their NAS after an...

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

johngault007 wrote:

I did some research on why the update didn't automatically disable SMB1 and also install SMB2, because the default action was set in the updates to do just that so users didn't lose the file/sharing capability. The best I can guess is it was somehow manually disabled through an endpoint protection device and the update never properly happened. I double checked my own system and everything was set by default to disable v1 and automatically enable v2.

Good info. Those users using a NAS with CIFS (SMB) protocol may find this discussion useful if they have issues connecting to their NAS after an update.

delder Loc: Maryland

I always use an external card reader on my PC's simply to avoid wear & tear on the Built-in reader.
Currently use a small USB-C adapter from Amazon with Card slots, 3 USB slots & HDMI velcro'd to the top of the PC Case. Anything happens to it I throw it away & get a new one for $20 or so.
Over many years, I HAVE had a [older] readers fail over time and found them much easier to replace than the internal card adapter. Old days, the Card adapter was mounted like a hard drive and the whole generic assembly could be replaced, but current adapters seem to be more tightly integrated into the PC Case Design.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

johngault007 wrote:

I did some research on why the update didn't automatically disable SMB1 and also install SMB2, because the default action was set in the updates to do just that so users didn't lose the file/sharing capability. The best I can guess is it was somehow manually disabled through an endpoint protection device and the update never properly happened. I double checked my own system and everything was set by default to disable v1 and automatically enable v2.

Thanks John, I suspected that was what happened since it didn't happen to everyone. Must have happened to quite a few for the fix to be posted by 3rd parties I reckon. Not sure what you mean by "end point protection device" though. I run Windows Defender if that's what you mean. At this point both my SD cards, in the PC and Printer are recognized and working fine. My Nikon camera still seems to not be recognized, but that could be a different issue. When the sd card quit working in the pc, I hooked the camera up with a usb cable and it worked, so I used that for several weeks before it also quit working, at which point I had to fix whatever was going on.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

tcthome wrote:

I purchased a sd card reader, usb connected, (which also reads cf, micro sd & 2 other type of cards) for around $20 made by INSIGNIA a couple of years ago. Cost money but seems easier to me. And of coarse if it causes no security issues=it is a plus.

I'm pretty sure your SD Card reader would not work with the SMB protocol disabled. My printer has a SD card reader that acts as an external reader and it quit working when MS disabled the protocol on my machine.

johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle

BigDaddy wrote:

Thanks John, I suspected that was what happened si... (show quote)

End point is just a fancy name for a device. Defender is an end point protection device. It is the blanket term being used to encompass any protection on a computer (anti-virus,anti-malware, firewall..etc....).

Cheers!

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

wrangler5 wrote:

This is such a simple fix - Amazon has dozens of choices, and will have one in your hands in a couple of days for under $20 - why spend time trying to get older hardware to work?

Personally I never had an SD Card reader fail. In this case, it was NOT a hardware problem but a software problem. When I tried to access my SD card in the PC, nothing happened, no error messages, nothing. I suspected it was a hardware problem.

When I tried to access the SD card in my Epson printer, I got the error message that told me SMB1 was disabled and SMB2 was needed to access the card.

It's a complete mystery to me why I got the error message from my printer, but not from my PC. Only Windows knows I reckon.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

johngault007 wrote:

End point is just a fancy name for a device. Defender is an end point protection device. It is the blanket term being used to encompass any protection on a computer (anti-virus,anti-malware, firewall..etc....).
Cheers!

Gotchya.

In my case, the only end point protection devices on my PC are provided by Microsoft, and used by millions by default.
You would think they would be aware of what their stuff was all about. I understand it's a humungous task trying to deal with shaky software on millions of machines, but really, the poor design is all Mickysoft, and has been since the first implementation of DOS. I'm a staunch believer that the worst virus on your machine is Windows itself, the second worse virus is what ever virus protection you've installed on you system to protect Windows from itself.

johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle

BigDaddy wrote:

Gotchya. br br In my case, the only end point pr... (show quote)

Some of us in the network security field think the worst virus on the machine is the human running it sometimes, they are usually the ones that keep us in business....

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

BigDaddy wrote:

Gotchya. br br In my case, the only end point pr... (show quote)

Well, you have at least two alternatives - MacOS or Linux. No one is forcing you to run Windows or to install the patches.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

johngault007 wrote:

Some of us in the network security field think the worst virus on the machine is the human running it sometimes, they are usually the ones that keep us in business....

PBCAK

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

TriX wrote:

Well, you have at least two alternatives - MacOS or Linux. No one is forcing you to run Windows or to install the patches.

Well, I have run DOS, Windows, OS/2 and administered a large Unix System 7 network. I've been intimately familiar with Dos, OS/2 and Unix systems. I've programed in at least 8 different languages. Windows design concepts has always been a huge mess. Windows is a testimonial to the catastrophic results that result from unchecked monopoly.

No one forces me to do anything, but thanks for the advice.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

BigDaddy wrote:

Well, I have run DOS, Windows, OS/2 and administered a large Unix System 7 network. I've been intimately familiar with Dos, OS/2 and Unix systems. I've programed in at least 8 different languages. Windows design concepts has always been a huge mess. Windows is a testimonial to the catastrophic results that result from unchecked monopoly.

No one forces me to do anything, but thanks for the advice.

And I was being serious, not snarky. If your favorite aps will run under Linux, that would be my choice, and as an old Unix admin, Linux will be a piece of cake.

The huge advantage of PCs (which implies Windows) is that they are open system allowing tens/hundreds of thousands of applications and peripherals to be used on that platform. And the huge disadvantage is the same thing, because MS can’t possibly test every patch with every HW/SW configuration, so there are bound to be hiccups. If IBM hadn’t written the open PC specification in Boca back in the 70s, computing would look very different today. Amazing how they got that so right and other choices so wrong from a marketing perspective (OS2 vs Windows, Token Ring vs Ethernet, SSA vs FibreChannel…).

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

TriX wrote:

And I was being serious, not snarky. If your favor... (show quote)

Sorry Trix, I get a bit snarky myself when debating this subject. I agree with you on what you said however. The main problem with Dos/windows is it never worked right. IBM fixed that with OS/2, which really was how Windows was supposed to work from the beginning. As far as Linux, I've helped a few people work out there problems running Linux, but that was long ago. It is quite obviously very Unix-like. Much like Affinity Photo is very Photoshop like.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

BigDaddy wrote:

Sorry Trix, I get a bit snarky myself when debating this subject. I agree with you on what you said however. The main problem with Dos/windows is it never worked right. IBM fixed that with OS/2, which really was how Windows was supposed to work from the beginning. As far as Linux, I've helped a few people work out there problems running Linux, but that was long ago. It is quite obviously very Unix-like. Much like Affinity Photo is very Photoshop like.

If you’re an ex-Unix guy, I can easily understand why DOS/Windows would feel kludgy

Off-topic story: When I was with Network Appliance (NetApp), Red Hat corporate was my customer. On the day they went public, we had just met with the owners to congratulate them. On the way out, I looked at my SE and said: “these guys are kidding themselves - they’re a service company for an open OS trying to style themselves as an OS company - that’s never going to work” The rest is history

johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle

BigDaddy wrote:

Sorry Trix, I get a bit snarky myself when debating this subject. I agree with you on what you said however. The main problem with Dos/windows is it never worked right. IBM fixed that with OS/2, which really was how Windows was supposed to work from the beginning. As far as Linux, I've helped a few people work out there problems running Linux, but that was long ago. It is quite obviously very Unix-like. Much like Affinity Photo is very Photoshop like.

You two are speaking my language with Linux

I try not to push people to it because I would quickly become their defacto troubleshooter when they couldn't figure something out. But out of all the operating systems I play with, it is my go-to at home.

This isn't a suggestion to switch by any means, but the latest Debian based Linux distros have jumped light years in terms of user friendliness and compatibility with 3rd party peripherals/hardware.