Busbum wrote:
This is what it has come down too...
The CDC gets a bum rap because they are scientists. Anything they say is interpreted (colored by) the lack of knowledge of the listening public. If they spent enough time to explain the full meaning of what they are saying, no one would have the patience to listen. They can't win, no matter what they say, or how they say it. Someone will always misinterpret it and pass on the misinterpretation to others, who will further misrepresent it to suit their own ends.
neillaubenthal wrote:
This isn't controversial or political…it's calling a spade a spade and the CDC has continually changed their minds. They keep trying to justify it by saying they're "following the science"…but they're just obfuscating…and I've seen that from both sides of the political spectrum.
Science is a process of discovery. As the process reveals new facts, theories, or possibilities, scientists will update or adjust their statements. This is little understood by the general public, who tend to think in absolutes. In reality, science knows very few absolutes... Everything is relative to current knowledge and conditions, as confirmed and reviewed by peers, through repeated testing.
There certainly are politics in everything, but my sense is the NIH and CDC are full of well-educated, well-qualified, highly experienced people who are still learning about this virus and how it may behave and be controlled. We need to have some patience with that process of learning, and the people who are working through it.
It wasn't too long ago when people thought the Earth was flat, at the center of the universe, and the sun revolved around the Earth. Some who said otherwise had their heads lopped off. Gradually, we learned how wrong that was (on both counts). New discoveries often reveal things that contradict previous suppositions and assumptions. Blaming scientists for changing their recommendations is understandable, but it ignores reality. Those who ignore reality enough eventually get the Darwin Death Award for failing to evolve their thinking processes.
Samantha, can you please explain? Do you mean my response to you is BS? Or does B/S mean something else? If BS, why?
burkphoto wrote:
Science is a process of discovery. As the process reveals new facts, theories, or possibilities, scientists will update or adjust their statements. This is little understood by the general public, who tend to think in absolutes. In reality, science knows very few absolutes... Everything is relative to current knowledge and conditions, as confirmed and reviewed by peers, through repeated testing.
There certainly are politics in everything, but my sense is the NIH and CDC are full of well-educated, well-qualified, highly experienced people who are still learning about this virus and how it may behave and be controlled. We need to have some patience with that process of learning, and the people who are working through it.
It wasn't too long ago when people thought the Earth was flat, at the center of the universe, and the sun revolved around the Earth. Some who said otherwise had their heads lopped off. Gradually, we learned how wrong that was (on both counts). New discoveries often reveal things that contradict previous suppositions and assumptions. Blaming scientists for changing their recommendations is understandable, but it ignores reality. Those who ignore reality enough eventually get the Darwin Death Award for failing to evolve their thinking processes.
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Exactly, there are very few absolutes in science. Newton's Laws of Motion, The Laws of Thermodynamics, some Laws in Methematics. Virtually everything else are theories which are subject to change based on new data and facts from new experiments. The physical sciences are less subject to change and debate. The biological and medical sciences are changing in an accelerated fashion. The inclusion of computer science, and molecular biology since 1953 has revolutionized the biological and medical sciences. If only we could get the economy and insurance to catch up!
JohnSwanda wrote:
Chit Chat is not for controversial/political subjects - they belong in the Attic.
What, are we to worry about the woke group or the cancel group on here now? A lot of people need to grow up and act like it. Every thing that is posted on here is not meant to have anything to do with politics. That is the problem of the person complaining because he sees everything as political.
Last time I checked the CDC was not a political entity, it simply is a government entity.
cwp3420 wrote:
It’s absolutely true, though.
What, you wanta try some Clorox injections instead?
burkphoto wrote:
Science is a process of discovery. As the process reveals new facts, theories, or possibilities, scientists will update or adjust their statements. This is little understood by the general public, who tend to think in absolutes. In reality, science knows very few absolutes... Everything is relative to current knowledge and conditions, as confirmed and reviewed by peers, through repeated testing.
There certainly are politics in everything, but my sense is the NIH and CDC are full of well-educated, well-qualified, highly experienced people who are still learning about this virus and how it may behave and be controlled. We need to have some patience with that process of learning, and the people who are working through it.
It wasn't too long ago when people thought the Earth was flat, at the center of the universe, and the sun revolved around the Earth. Some who said otherwise had their heads lopped off. Gradually, we learned how wrong that was (on both counts). New discoveries often reveal things that contradict previous suppositions and assumptions. Blaming scientists for changing their recommendations is understandable, but it ignores reality. Those who ignore reality enough eventually get the Darwin Death Award for failing to evolve their thinking processes.
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To summarize what you just said is that scientists are continually collecting new data, theories and information and modify their positions to adapt to the new facts and infer that this is the "scientific method". But that is just not true. Science is never determined by consensus. When using the scientific method, one specifies a thesis and proposes tests to prove or refute that theory. As long as the tests are properly designed and administered, the thesis is either proven true or false and that is not refutable. When Einstein proposed his general theory of relativity, he maintained the shape of space-time was curved by the effect of gravity. While the theory was proposed in 1916, it could not be tested until 1923 during a total eclipse of the sun. Prior to the eclipse, the light from a prominent star was in position A. As the sun moved closer to the star, it's position was shown to be in position B because the light passed close to the surface of the sun where space-time was curved because of the gravity of the sun. Thesis proved and is not refutable whether or not you understand or agree with the findings. That's the scientific method and how science proceeds.
Its funny, people.
Anyway, the CDC is doing its best in a rapidly moving situation while being pretty obtuse about managing public confusion over their instructions. They've had stumbles - that is for sure! But unlike all sources of dis-information they will revise their information rather than double-down on them.
sodapop wrote:
Last time I checked the CDC was not a political entity, it simply is a government entity.
Then please explain how the CDC getting in to the issue of gun control is not political.
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