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Jan 13, 2022 22:27:49   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
My opinion is that most experienced photographers, both amateurs and professionals, know what they want and need in their equipment. They can read the actual specifications, get a demonstration of the tier favorite dealer and make up their own minds f any particular piece of gear that will be appropriate for ther applications, consider the price, deced if their investment will be justified and buy what they need.

Sometimes I read the reviews in magazines or online and take notice of the adverts hype- neither will influence my decisions to any great extent.

I try to buy frame a reliable local dealer who backs up what they sell. I've been dealing with sesame folks for 20 years and after a week of putting new gear through its paces, if there is a serious flaw that causes my disappointment, they will refund or exchange the item- that occurred once in all that time.

I also find that if any particular piece of gear has serious faults, the news travels quickly through the grapevine.

The only reviews that I recall were extremely reliable and valid WAS published in the now-defunct Modern Photograhy Magazine. They had a well-equipped staffed lab in New York City. The complete disassembled camera and lenses evaluated the mechanics and did a laboratory-grade optic test of lenses. I recall many negative reviews of equipment made or distributed by their own advertisers- that was real journalism. That was a long time ago.
Yup- they just about "autopsied" the gear and published the picture and the instrumentation readouts. Their conclusions were honest. There were practice comments lie when they revved the Yashica-Mat TLR and compare it to the Rolleiflex. They said the Yashica was good came for the money but it is not gonna come up to the quality and performance of one that costs 10 times as much. And... their precise testing procedures proved their point.

Another problem is when some of the top pros endorse certain brands. I have attended numerous seminars and workshops where the presenter/instructor/guru or whatever kinda grandmaster is emphasizing certain brands of equipment. When the question period begins, my question is usually "You do great work, but could achieve the same quality with equipment for another manufacture"? The answer is usually is a kinda reluctant "yes"!

For those who are inexperienced, my advice is to do your own research and investigations. Consider what you need in a camera or related equipment. Try to fully understand the technology you are buying into. Factor in your budget. Find a dealer that is reliable and knowledgeable. Try not to fall for advertising hype. If you read a review, consider whether or not you need to pay for ALL the attributes or could live with shortcomings.

Most name-brand modern digital equipment is pretty darn good- some a bit better than others. At the end of the day, it's your skills that govern your photographic results.
My opinion is that most experienced photographers,... (show quote)


There you go again, pushing through the chaos and making sense!

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Jan 13, 2022 22:28:08   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
My opinion is that most experienced photographers, both amateurs and professionals, know what they want and need in their equipment. They can read the actual specifications, get a demonstration of the tier favorite dealer and make up their own minds f any particular piece of gear that will be appropriate for ther applications, consider the price, deced if their investment will be justified and buy what they need.

Sometimes I read the reviews in magazines or online and take notice of the adverts hype- neither will influence my decisions to any great extent.

I try to buy frame a reliable local dealer who backs up what they sell. I've been dealing with sesame folks for 20 years and after a week of putting new gear through its paces, if there is a serious flaw that causes my disappointment, they will refund or exchange the item- that occurred once in all that time.

I also find that if any particular piece of gear has serious faults, the news travels quickly through the grapevine.

The only reviews that I recall were extremely reliable and valid WAS published in the now-defunct Modern Photograhy Magazine. They had a well-equipped staffed lab in New York City. The complete disassembled camera and lenses evaluated the mechanics and did a laboratory-grade optic test of lenses. I recall many negative reviews of equipment made or distributed by their own advertisers- that was real journalism. That was a long time ago.
Yup- they just about "autopsied" the gear and published the picture and the instrumentation readouts. Their conclusions were honest. There were practice comments lie when they revved the Yashica-Mat TLR and compare it to the Rolleiflex. They said the Yashica was good came for the money but it is not gonna come up to the quality and performance of one that costs 10 times as much. And... their precise testing procedures proved their point.

Another problem is when some of the top pros endorse certain brands. I have attended numerous seminars and workshops where the presenter/instructor/guru or whatever kinda grandmaster is emphasizing certain brands of equipment. When the question period begins, my question is usually "You do great work, but could achieve the same quality with equipment for another manufacture"? The answer is usually is a kinda reluctant "yes"!

For those who are inexperienced, my advice is to do your own research and investigations. Consider what you need in a camera or related equipment. Try to fully understand the technology you are buying into. Factor in your budget. Find a dealer that is reliable and knowledgeable. Try not to fall for advertising hype. If you read a review, consider whether or not you need to pay for ALL the attributes or could live with shortcomings.

Most name-brand modern digital equipment is pretty darn good- some a bit better than others. At the end of the day, it's your skills that govern your photographic results.
My opinion is that most experienced photographers,... (show quote)


Sound advice. We will never probably know whether free equipment sent for review and given to the reviewer sways a review or opportunity to get more free equipment to review in the future. That might amount to say--$10K for a few cameras and more reviews in the future. Yes the old magazines were good even with very old equipment. Popular Photography, Modern Photography, and Camera.---ew

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Jan 13, 2022 22:32:16   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Grahame wrote:
You only have to undertake a Google search for 'Sigma FoveonX3 review' and it comes up with many going back over the years.

What differentiates "the major review" of which you say is some 16 years old with all the others that are available to read?


Dear Smug-Mug----so far that review was mentioned by someone on UHH when I first mentioned the marvelous Foveon innovation in sensors over the Bayer in all other digital cameras.------

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Jan 13, 2022 22:56:34   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
Dear Smug-Mug----so far that review was mentioned by someone on UHH when I first mentioned the marvelous Foveon innovation in sensors over the Bayer in all other digital cameras.------


That's no answer to the simple question below that I asked, is it?

Grahame wrote:
What differentiates "the major review" of which you say is some 16 years old with all the others that are available to read?


I picked out a few and they had similar opinions.

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Jan 13, 2022 22:57:48   #
User ID
 
Bill_de wrote:
There you go again, pushing through the chaos and making sense!

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Uh huh. A serious buzzkill.

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Jan 13, 2022 23:28:59   #
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OldSchool-WI wrote:
Sigma FoveonX3 reviews have said from the beginning----that those cameras were excellent for color photography----but then went on to pan the camera--DP. Others were worse saying the magnesium water proof body was lacking and priced ridiculously high. Well those turned the tide for Sigma. About all the good inches of review claimed the Sigma was a "photographer's camera" and not for amateurs. Then you don't mass produce for photographers, you mass produce for amateurs. The largest camera selling companies I suspect eye the amateurs and not the pros.--So---is the conclusion to this thread that we will never know what motivates the reviews---honest experience?---readership?---company policy?---or under the table pay?-----We all seem to have opinions but no hard facts. But we can get a hint from modern political coverage by various news sources?----ew
Sigma FoveonX3 reviews have said from the beginnin... (show quote)


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Jan 13, 2022 23:39:40   #
JacksonHD Loc: NorCal
 
elee950021 wrote:
.....As our mothers said: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything!"


When I worked for "Uncle Pete" Petersen (Petersen Publishing Co.) that was the "advice" of the editor who hired me. Publications then depended on both subscription fees and advertising revenue. We had to keep both happy. You could learn quite a bit by reading "between the lines."

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Jan 13, 2022 23:48:49   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Grahame wrote:
I picked out a few and they had similar opinions.


At least the 16year old review conceded that for color---the Sigma FoveonX3 was head and shoulders above the Canon, Nikon, and Sony Bayer sensor technology with FoveonX3 original stacked three colors like the emulsion on film. But said that you cannot get high ISOs like available with the computerized spread apart pixels which are not true to life. They said it took a true photographer to appreciate the difference. So---I give the early reviews that much anyway for recognizing color quality----

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Jan 13, 2022 23:53:44   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Yes, your copyrighted graphic expresses how impressed the photography market should have been with the introduction of the revolutionary 3 stacked layer FoveonX3 sensors. (Canon chastised me for displaying the photo of Ansel Adams---claiming it was copyrighted and therefore against UHH rules---where is Canon now with all the graphics put up poking at my posts?)-----

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Jan 13, 2022 23:55:05   #
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OldSchool-WI wrote:
At least the 16year old review conceded that for color---the Sigma FoveonX3 was head and shoulders above the Canon, Nikon, and Sony Bayer sensor technology with FoveonX3 original stacked three colors like the emulsion on film. But said that you cannot get high ISOs like available with the computerized spread apart pixels which are not true to life. They said it took a true photographer to appreciate the difference. So---I give the early reviews that much anyway for recognizing color quality----
At least the 16year old review conceded that for c... (show quote)

Not everything wonderful is practical or marketable. It’s sad but thaz how it goes. Sometimes life just sucks. Great minds have puzzled over that and come away empty handed. Lesser minds seek some boogie man to blame for it, perhaps “the media” or evil cabals.

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Jan 14, 2022 00:06:12   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Here is a snapshot from one of my three models of Sigma Foveon DSLRs--(I have five bodies) This is a roofer working on my roof on a gray day with muted colors. 2017.---Eric

Roofer 2017--hand held---long lens--Sigma FoveonX3
Roofer 2017--hand held---long lens--Sigma FoveonX3...
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Jan 14, 2022 00:08:34   #
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OldSchool-WI wrote:
Here is a snapshot from one of my three models of Sigma Foveon DSLRs--(I have five bodies) This is a roofer working on my roof on a gray day with muted colors. 2017.---Eric

Lucky you. Roofers are hard to get !

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Jan 14, 2022 00:16:33   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
User ID wrote:
Lucky you. Roofers are hard to get !


Particularly these days with the rules about layers. I looked long to find one not intent on tearing and re-sheathing and therefor doubling the cost. And I don't like metal. Large house--big roof. They merely shoveled off to the original wood shingle roof from 1920 and worked up from that, therefore not re-sheathing. Should last my life.---Eric

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Jan 14, 2022 00:21:42   #
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OldSchool-WI wrote:
Particularly these days with the rules about layers. I looked long to find one not intent on tearing and re-sheathing and therefor doubling the cost. And I don't like metal. Large house--big roof. They merely shoveled off to the original wood shingle roof from 1920 and worked up from that, therefore not re-sheathing. Should last my life.---Eric

How long is that ? Morbid thinking :-(

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Jan 14, 2022 00:25:19   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
User ID wrote:
How long is that ? Morbid thinking :-(


At least 20 years---35 year shingles!-----

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