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Dec 29, 2021 09:26:26   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Much has been written about White evangelicals’ central role in the fraying of democracy. More attention, however, should be paid to the damage the political movement has inflicted on religion itself.

The demographic — which remains in the throes of White grievance and an apocalyptic vision that postulates America (indeed “Western civilization”) is under attack from socialists, foreigners and secularists — forms the core of the MAGA movement. Many have rejected the sanctity of e******ns, the principle of inclusion and even objective reality.
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The consequences have been dire for American politics. The siege mentality has morphed into an ends-justify-the-means style of politics in which lies, brutal discourse and even violence are applauded as necessary to protect “real America.” Essential features of democracy, such as the peaceful t******r of p***r, compromise with political opponents and defining America as an idea and not a racial or religious identity, have fallen by the wayside.
Jennifer Rubin: America cannot give evangelicals what they want

Sadly, the degradation of democracy has intensified in the wake of Joe Biden’s victory. The doctrinal elevation of the “big lie," the increase in violent rhetoric and the effort to rig e******ns all reflect a heightened desperation by the MAGA crowd. This has driven the GOP to new lows (e.g., v*****e refusal to “own the libs,” virtually all House Republicans defending an animation depicting the murder of a congresswoman).

While lovers of democracy around the world view these developments in horror, we should not lose track of the damage the MAGA movement has wrought to religious values. Peter Wehner, an evangelical Christian and former adviser to President George W. Bush, explains in a column for the Atlantic how a recent speech from Donald Trump Jr. reflects the inversion of religious faith. “The former president’s son,” Wehner writes, “has a message for the tens of millions of evangelicals who form the energized base of the GOP: the scriptures are essentially a manual for suckers. The teachings of Jesus have ‘gotten us nothing.’ ”

Wehner continues:
It’s worse than that, really; the ethic of Jesus has gotten in the way of successfully prosecuting the culture wars against the left. If the ethic of Jesus encourages sensibilities that might cause people in politics to act a little less brutally, a bit more civilly, with a touch more grace? Then it needs to go. Decency is for suckers.

Understanding this phenomenon goes a long way toward explaining the MAGA crowd’s very unreligious cruelty toward immigrants, its selfish refusal to v******te to protect the most vulnerable and its veneration of a vulgar, misogynistic cult leader. If you wonder how so many “people of faith” can behave in such ways, understand that their “faith” has become hostile to traditional religious values such as kindness, empathy, self-restraint, grace, honesty and humility.

Robert P. Jones, who leads the Public Religion Research Institute, writes that “in the upside-down world white evangelicalism has become, the willingness to act in self-sacrificial ways for the sake of vulnerable others — even amid a global p******c — has become rare, even antithetical, to an aggressive, rights-asserting white Christian culture.” The result is reckless self-indulgence that places some evangelicals’ own aversion to “being told what to do” ahead of the health and lives of vulnerable populations.

Jones explains:
White evangelicals remain the most v*****e resistant of any major religious group, with one quarter (25%) refusing v******tion (compared to only 13% of the country). And these refusal rates are not all tied to theological objections. Only 13% of white evangelicals say the teachings of their religion prohibit receiving a v*****e, a rate comparable to the general public (10%).

Strikingly, the evidence suggests churches and pastors are the heart of the problem. White evangelicals who attend religious services regularly are twice as likely as less frequent attenders to be v*****e refusers (30% vs. 15%). If ever there were clear evidence of a massive abdication of pastoral responsibility and leadership, this is it.
As self-identified evangelicals reject small inconveniences and show disdain for others’ lives, Jones observes, “there is no hint of awareness that their actions are a mockery of the central biblical injunction to care for the orphan, the widow, the stranger, and the vulnerable among us.”

In sum, while the White evangelical political movement has done immeasurable damage to our democracy, its descent into MAGA politics, conspiratorial thinking and cult worship has had catastrophic results for the religious values evangelicals once held dear. Jones writes: “It’s important to say this straight. This refusal to act to protect the vulnerable — particularly because of the low personal costs involved — is raw, callous selfishness. Exhibited by people I love, it is heartbreaking. Expressed by people who claim to be followers of Jesus, it is maddening.”

If these trends continue uninterrupted, we will wind up with a country rooted in neither democratic principles nor religious values. That would be a mean, violent and intolerant future few of us would want to experience."


Jennifer Rubin, The Washington Post
"Much has been written about White evangelica... (show quote)

More liberal WAR ON RELIGION

When will you stop poisoning your mind against your fellow Americans, when will you come to understand that when people like Jennifer Rubin and others cited in this article make a lucrative living by feeding you this BS?

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Dec 29, 2021 09:30:14   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
More liberal WAR ON RELIGION

When will you stop poisoning your mind against your fellow Americans, when will you come to understand that when people like Jennifer Rubin and others cited in this article make a lucrative living by feeding you this BS?


It is not enough to claim the article is BS. You should explain why.

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Dec 29, 2021 09:33:16   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I would not even think to post only one side of a piece out of context in an attempt to alter the intent of the writer. Why are you so defensive and suspicious?


Defensive and suspicious, you say? Almost everything you say is anti Trump even though he is no longer POTUS. Then you say I am defensive and suspicious. You posted a piece that I find dishonest but that supports your LEFT Wing Agenda. I believe in Conservative values. Apparently you do not and maybe never have. You support Biden and his completely moronic handling of everything he has touched which had been proven every day to be against America and our way of life. Yet you expect me to roll over and play dead when you post this BS. It ain't going to happen.

Biden, or whoever is behind the curtain, has screwed up (I am being kind here) every single thing he has touched right from before he was POTUS. The sad t***h is you cannot see or admit that. But you cling to your anti common sense Left Wing BS as if looking at Biden's administration and seeing the catastrophe to America it truly is will somehow make your side out to be about as ridiculous as it can be. Open your eyes and take a real look. WARNING: It won't be pleasant.

Dennis

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Dec 29, 2021 11:23:38   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
It is not enough to claim the article is BS. You should explain why.


It is really difficult to lead the blind into the light.... I really don't care for the religious rantings of the evangelicals, I don't agree with their stern stance on their religion and their lack of accommodation of the beliefs or lack of beliefs of others. Having said that I certainly do not see them as a threat to myself, my lifestyle, nor to the future of this country, liberals do, they see everything that stands between them and their socialist dreams as a threat to our democracy, but in reality that is a lie, progressives only see the democratic process valuable as long as it favors them. That is why there is such a push for the abolition of the e*******l college, they do not value the wisdom in the establishment of a method in the e*******l process that allows the voice and values of the minority to have weight and impact. I assure you that if the "fly over" country ever carried more v**es than the urban centers the progressives would quickly stand behind and defend the e*******l college.

The same goes with all this tripe that you have posted, religion clearly is seen as a threat to achieving progressive goals, faith in government must be supreme for progressives to be able to achieve their goals so they attack anything that would challenge the superiority of government, and faith in God is one such thing.... Yes, these writers specifically are calling out evangelicals but if successful in demonizing this segment of this country's religious communities they will soon move on to the next, maybe Southern Baptists, maybe the Catholics... who knows who their next target will be.

Let's take a look at the garbage that you have posted..... But first it is long past time that we recognize that the government's response to C***d is failing, and more mandates and draconian rules will do nothing other than make our response even more destructive.


"Much has been written about White evangelicals’ central role in the fraying of democracy. More attention, however, should be paid to the damage the political movement has inflicted on religion itself.

The demographic — which remains in the throes of White grievance and an apocalyptic vision that postulates America (indeed “Western civilization”) is under attack from socialists, foreigners and secularists — forms the core of the MAGA movement. Many have rejected the sanctity of e******ns, the principle of inclusion and even objective reality.

This statement makes assumptions that are completely erroneous and that only have basis in bigotry and h**e. Something like 75 million v**ers cast their b****ts for Trump, certainly a number far greater than the numbers of evangelical v**ers in this country yet this writer claims that evangelicals are the core of the MAGA movement, nothing could be farther from the t***h. The evangelicals may better identify with the Republican Party and the then candidate Trump, but certainly the evangelicals are not the driving force behind the MAGA movement, a better descriptor would be the want to the return of Reaganism, to putting our country and its people's welfare first and a step away from globalism. Your writer then states that "Many have rejected the sanctity of e******ns, the principle of inclusion, and even objective reality".... Part of that statement does not even make sense without context, but you and your fellow progressives do not look for context because when your writer refers to inclusion I assume that you immediately think in terms of GA and TX v****g legislation because the media and Brandon have drilled into you that these are the return of "Jim Crow" laws on steroids. Funny thing is that they have never cited the provisions in the laws that would even approach discrimination or "Jim Crow". They don't because such provisions in the laws do not exist, and if they do I would appreciate your bringing those provisions to our attention so that we may join in your disapproval of these laws but I assure you that you will not be replying to my charge. As far as sanctity of e******ns go, the MAGA crowd firmly believes in free and f**r e******ns and have always accepted the results of e******ns in this country, the 2016 e******n was fraught with a******lities, the courts and state actors setting aside state e******n laws without the constitutional authority to do so, counting procedures and timelines that left many in this country questioning the results, even you must admit that the 2016 e******n taking days to tally and come to conclusion was a mess, you are happy with the results so you saw no need to question them, but had your candidate been the loser of that e******n and it had been the rural areas of GA determined the outcome, and had those same rural areas experienced the delayed counting and the challenges presented to the e******n observers that we saw in 2016 your understanding of the e******n might be quite different.

The consequences have been dire for American politics. The siege mentality has morphed into an ends-justify-the-means style of politics in which lies, brutal discourse and even violence are applauded as necessary to protect “real America.” Essential features of democracy, such as the peaceful t******r of p***r, compromise with political opponents and defining America as an idea and not a racial or religious identity, have fallen by the wayside.
Jennifer Rubin: America cannot give evangelicals what they want

Again, pure garbage, this is no different than how your party has played this game for decades, I will concede that J** 6th was bad, it was out of control and should have never gotten that far but it was a r**t not an i**********n. I completely understand that politically it is very important to your side to not lose the narrative of i**********n because it helps in the furtherance of your goals of using an oppressive state to silence political dissent to those currently in power, but it is a play that will only weakens our democracy and leads to the authoritative form of government that your side decries as the goal of your political opponents. It is truly a master stroke of BS. It is funny that you folks fail to realize that in congress the democrats have challenged the e*******l v**es of every e******n won by a republican for the last few decades.

Sadly, the degradation of democracy has intensified in the wake of Joe Biden’s victory. The doctrinal elevation of the “big lie," the increase in violent rhetoric and the effort to rig e******ns all reflect a heightened desperation by the MAGA crowd. This has driven the GOP to new lows (e.g., v*****e refusal to “own the libs,” virtually all House Republicans defending an animation depicting the murder of a congresswoman).

Hardly worth commenting on, v*****e refusal only became political when the democrats made it so, if you actually look into the current demographics of v******tion the minorities as a percentage of their population are still behind the white population of this country, how can you defend such BS statements as this? It is all a game and you are a willing follower of forces that only want to further divide this country to achieve political goals. The congresswoman? I don't think that the republicans in congress defended her cartoon, what they did defend is the politicalization of censure under the current Speaker, a woman who single handedly is destroying the House.

While lovers of democracy around the world view these developments in horror, we should not lose track of the damage the MAGA movement has wrought to religious values. Peter Wehner, an evangelical Christian and former adviser to President George W. Bush, explains in a column for the Atlantic how a recent speech from Donald Trump Jr. reflects the inversion of religious faith. “The former president’s son,” Wehner writes, “has a message for the tens of millions of evangelicals who form the energized base of the GOP: the scriptures are essentially a manual for suckers. The teachings of Jesus have ‘gotten us nothing.’ ”

Lovers of democracy around the world may currently be viewing the developments in America with horror, but it goes far beyond J** 6th and the MAGA movement. Yes, J** 6th was a low point in the way this country is viewed around the world, but also the Biden Administrations failures on several fronts not the least of which was Afghanistan has seen the world question America's leadership in the world, Biden himself has done more to shake the world's confidence in American leadership than did the r**t of J** 6th. If nothing else J** 6th in the end showed that the American system works, even under challenge, Biden has shown nothing more than American weakness. As far as Donald Trump Jr's speech, this is an outright lie, the effing liar/author offers no quotations or examples of any such rhetoric, yet you consume this garbage without question, he also gives to evangelicals credit for exercising much more power and influence over conservative politics than they deserve.... Tripe, nothing more.

Wehner continues:
It’s worse than that, really; the ethic of Jesus has gotten in the way of successfully prosecuting the culture wars against the left. If the ethic of Jesus encourages sensibilities that might cause people in politics to act a little less brutally, a bit more civilly, with a touch more grace? Then it needs to go. Decency is for suckers.

Understanding this phenomenon goes a long way toward explaining the MAGA crowd’s very unreligious cruelty toward immigrants, its selfish refusal to v******te to protect the most vulnerable and its veneration of a vulgar, misogynistic cult leader. If you wonder how so many “people of faith” can behave in such ways, understand that their “faith” has become hostile to traditional religious values such as kindness, empathy, self-restraint, grace, honesty and humility.

Again, more BS, this article is pure fantasy, so asking for controlled and legal immigration is "cruelty toward immigrants" this is ridiculous inside the bubble BS. Funny thing is that my take on this is substantiated by the fact that there currently is a huge demographic move of hispanic v**ers from support of democrat candidates to support to republican candidates, it is quite remarkable that your party in the short year that Biden has been in office as absolutely lost its grip over the Hispanic v**e, a year ago they overwhelmingly supported the democrats and now current polling shows their support as pretty much a draw between the two parties and if anything more republican leaning.... Again, it just shows the lies contained within this column that you have posted.


Robert P. Jones, who leads the Public Religion Research Institute, writes that “in the upside-down world white evangelicalism has become, the willingness to act in self-sacrificial ways for the sake of vulnerable others — even amid a global p******c — has become rare, even antithetical, to an aggressive, rights-asserting white Christian culture.” The result is reckless self-indulgence that places some evangelicals’ own aversion to “being told what to do” ahead of the health and lives of vulnerable populations.

Jones explains:
White evangelicals remain the most v*****e resistant of any major religious group, with one quarter (25%) refusing v******tion (compared to only 13% of the country). And these refusal rates are not all tied to theological objections. Only 13% of white evangelicals say the teachings of their religion prohibit receiving a v*****e, a rate comparable to the general public (10%).

Strikingly, the evidence suggests churches and pastors are the heart of the problem. White evangelicals who attend religious services regularly are twice as likely as less frequent attenders to be v*****e refusers (30% vs. 15%). If ever there were clear evidence of a massive abdication of pastoral responsibility and leadership, this is it.
As self-identified evangelicals reject small inconveniences and show disdain for others’ lives, Jones observes, “there is no hint of awareness that their actions are a mockery of the central biblical injunction to care for the orphan, the widow, the stranger, and the vulnerable among us.”

In sum, while the White evangelical political movement has done immeasurable damage to our democracy, its descent into MAGA politics, conspiratorial thinking and cult worship has had catastrophic results for the religious values evangelicals once held dear. Jones writes: “It’s important to say this straight. This refusal to act to protect the vulnerable — particularly because of the low personal costs involved — is raw, callous selfishness. Exhibited by people I love, it is heartbreaking. Expressed by people who claim to be followers of Jesus, it is maddening.”

If these trends continue uninterrupted, we will wind up with a country rooted in neither democratic principles nor religious values. That would be a mean, violent and intolerant future few of us would want to experience."


This las few paragraphs are just more BS summarizing all the other BS contained within this BS piece.

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Dec 30, 2021 08:11:36   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Much has been written about White evangelicals’ central role in the fraying of democracy. More attention, however, should be paid to the damage the political movement has inflicted on religion itself.

The demographic — which remains in the throes of White grievance and an apocalyptic vision that postulates America (indeed “Western civilization”) is under attack from socialists, foreigners and secularists — forms the core of the MAGA movement. Many have rejected the sanctity of e******ns, the principle of inclusion and even objective reality.
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The consequences have been dire for American politics. The siege mentality has morphed into an ends-justify-the-means style of politics in which lies, brutal discourse and even violence are applauded as necessary to protect “real America.” Essential features of democracy, such as the peaceful t******r of p***r, compromise with political opponents and defining America as an idea and not a racial or religious identity, have fallen by the wayside.
Jennifer Rubin: America cannot give evangelicals what they want

Sadly, the degradation of democracy has intensified in the wake of Joe Biden’s victory. The doctrinal elevation of the “big lie," the increase in violent rhetoric and the effort to rig e******ns all reflect a heightened desperation by the MAGA crowd. This has driven the GOP to new lows (e.g., v*****e refusal to “own the libs,” virtually all House Republicans defending an animation depicting the murder of a congresswoman).

While lovers of democracy around the world view these developments in horror, we should not lose track of the damage the MAGA movement has wrought to religious values. Peter Wehner, an evangelical Christian and former adviser to President George W. Bush, explains in a column for the Atlantic how a recent speech from Donald Trump Jr. reflects the inversion of religious faith. “The former president’s son,” Wehner writes, “has a message for the tens of millions of evangelicals who form the energized base of the GOP: the scriptures are essentially a manual for suckers. The teachings of Jesus have ‘gotten us nothing.’ ”

Wehner continues:
It’s worse than that, really; the ethic of Jesus has gotten in the way of successfully prosecuting the culture wars against the left. If the ethic of Jesus encourages sensibilities that might cause people in politics to act a little less brutally, a bit more civilly, with a touch more grace? Then it needs to go. Decency is for suckers.

Understanding this phenomenon goes a long way toward explaining the MAGA crowd’s very unreligious cruelty toward immigrants, its selfish refusal to v******te to protect the most vulnerable and its veneration of a vulgar, misogynistic cult leader. If you wonder how so many “people of faith” can behave in such ways, understand that their “faith” has become hostile to traditional religious values such as kindness, empathy, self-restraint, grace, honesty and humility.

Robert P. Jones, who leads the Public Religion Research Institute, writes that “in the upside-down world white evangelicalism has become, the willingness to act in self-sacrificial ways for the sake of vulnerable others — even amid a global p******c — has become rare, even antithetical, to an aggressive, rights-asserting white Christian culture.” The result is reckless self-indulgence that places some evangelicals’ own aversion to “being told what to do” ahead of the health and lives of vulnerable populations.

Jones explains:
White evangelicals remain the most v*****e resistant of any major religious group, with one quarter (25%) refusing v******tion (compared to only 13% of the country). And these refusal rates are not all tied to theological objections. Only 13% of white evangelicals say the teachings of their religion prohibit receiving a v*****e, a rate comparable to the general public (10%).

Strikingly, the evidence suggests churches and pastors are the heart of the problem. White evangelicals who attend religious services regularly are twice as likely as less frequent attenders to be v*****e refusers (30% vs. 15%). If ever there were clear evidence of a massive abdication of pastoral responsibility and leadership, this is it.
As self-identified evangelicals reject small inconveniences and show disdain for others’ lives, Jones observes, “there is no hint of awareness that their actions are a mockery of the central biblical injunction to care for the orphan, the widow, the stranger, and the vulnerable among us.”

In sum, while the White evangelical political movement has done immeasurable damage to our democracy, its descent into MAGA politics, conspiratorial thinking and cult worship has had catastrophic results for the religious values evangelicals once held dear. Jones writes: “It’s important to say this straight. This refusal to act to protect the vulnerable — particularly because of the low personal costs involved — is raw, callous selfishness. Exhibited by people I love, it is heartbreaking. Expressed by people who claim to be followers of Jesus, it is maddening.”

If these trends continue uninterrupted, we will wind up with a country rooted in neither democratic principles nor religious values. That would be a mean, violent and intolerant future few of us would want to experience."


Jennifer Rubin, The Washington Post
"Much has been written about White evangelica... (show quote)



Just get rid of the democrat r****m and this will all become moot.

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Dec 30, 2021 08:14:18   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Architect1776 wrote:

Just get rid of the democrat r****m and this will all become moot.


Well, the r****m and everything else the Democrats are doing to divide the country. What a big help that would be toward getting going in a positive direction once more.

Dennis

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Dec 30, 2021 08:34:33   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
soba1 wrote:
... Holy Scripture is the guide for disciples of Christ not man not any preacher priest or political
leader Trump included

Realize Soba that the bible most used in USA is the King James Bible [KJB] which was edited to suite his political needs at the time. The KJB edit was based on the Vatican Catholic Bible which edited out that which did not suit them and their politically controlling ambitions. Much of the generic bible was hand-me-down stories from the early Sumerian writings...

The Catholic Church, Vatican, is hiding 14 books of the bible from you Soba. "One of them states that, under the evil claws of the Pope and his bishops, in 1684, the Bible was altered significantly. The Catholic Church removed fourteen books which collided with its doctrine, and hid them from public view."
https://pmrb.net/huumanist-skeptic/2019/03/13/the-vatican-eliminated-14-books-of-the-bible-really/

"In 1604, England’s King James I authorized a new t***slation of the Bible aimed at settling some thorny religious differences in his kingdom—and solidifying his own power. "
https://www.history.com/news/king-james-bible-most-popular

Remember Soba to worship but one God and you are worshiping Jesus? and what about that Holey Ghost that lurks in the shadows... do you believe in Ghosts... ? If you believe in ghosts are you insane?

Please Soba, do not forget that the earth was the center of the universe and any thought that our modern Astorphysistis have is condemned. Remember the fate of Galileo who was in hell or purgatory for 1300 years before the Vatican reprieved his sentence.

Please Soba , help me understand, I have gone astray by consuming, digesting, and remembering too much knowledge....

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Dec 30, 2021 08:57:42   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
soba1 wrote:
Looking at their website seems the condone the LBGQT community which in and of itself
disqualifies them. Seems this organization runs counter to Biblical principles.
https://www.prri.org/about/

The Holy Scripture is the guide for disciples of Christ not man not any preacher priest or political
leader Trump included


So what about the Old Testament?

Some argue that all laws related to sexual conduct carry over to the New Testament, but Leviticus also prohibits sex during a woman’s menstrual period (Leviticus 18:19), which most Christians do not regard as sinful.

Others suggest that the term “a*********n” indicates that same-sex behavior is particularly egregious, but we widely accept other practices that were called a*********ns: charging interest on loans (Ezekiel 18:13), burning incense (Isaiah 1:13), and eating pork, rabbit, and shellfish. (Deuteronomy 14:3-21).

Even the death penalty applied to some practices we now accept: working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2) and charging interest on loans (Ezekiel 18:13).

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Dec 30, 2021 09:24:47   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
dpullum wrote:
Normally I do not read long ambling comments in UHH, but this one was not ambling; each paragraph was complete and a compelling statement of facts t***hfully presented in a logical sequence.

I can not say I enjoyed the diagnosis any more than I would enjoy a t***hful well stated diagnosis from a dentist that I am about to lose a tooth.

All should read and carefully ponder the statements in each inditing paragraph.


IT MAY HAVE NOT BEEN "AMBLING" BUT IT SURE AS HELL WAS HIS TYPICAL RAMBLING BOO HOO

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Dec 30, 2021 10:35:56   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Much has been written about White evangelicals’ central role in the fraying of democracy. More attention, however, should be paid to the damage the political movement has inflicted on religion itself.

The demographic — which remains in the throes of White grievance and an apocalyptic vision that postulates America (indeed “Western civilization”) is under attack from socialists, foreigners and secularists — forms the core of the MAGA movement. Many have rejected the sanctity of e******ns, the principle of inclusion and even objective reality.
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The consequences have been dire for American politics. The siege mentality has morphed into an ends-justify-the-means style of politics in which lies, brutal discourse and even violence are applauded as necessary to protect “real America.” Essential features of democracy, such as the peaceful t******r of p***r, compromise with political opponents and defining America as an idea and not a racial or religious identity, have fallen by the wayside.
Jennifer Rubin: America cannot give evangelicals what they want

Sadly, the degradation of democracy has intensified in the wake of Joe Biden’s victory. The doctrinal elevation of the “big lie," the increase in violent rhetoric and the effort to rig e******ns all reflect a heightened desperation by the MAGA crowd. This has driven the GOP to new lows (e.g., v*****e refusal to “own the libs,” virtually all House Republicans defending an animation depicting the murder of a congresswoman).

While lovers of democracy around the world view these developments in horror, we should not lose track of the damage the MAGA movement has wrought to religious values. Peter Wehner, an evangelical Christian and former adviser to President George W. Bush, explains in a column for the Atlantic how a recent speech from Donald Trump Jr. reflects the inversion of religious faith. “The former president’s son,” Wehner writes, “has a message for the tens of millions of evangelicals who form the energized base of the GOP: the scriptures are essentially a manual for suckers. The teachings of Jesus have ‘gotten us nothing.’ ”

Wehner continues:
It’s worse than that, really; the ethic of Jesus has gotten in the way of successfully prosecuting the culture wars against the left. If the ethic of Jesus encourages sensibilities that might cause people in politics to act a little less brutally, a bit more civilly, with a touch more grace? Then it needs to go. Decency is for suckers.

Understanding this phenomenon goes a long way toward explaining the MAGA crowd’s very unreligious cruelty toward immigrants, its selfish refusal to v******te to protect the most vulnerable and its veneration of a vulgar, misogynistic cult leader. If you wonder how so many “people of faith” can behave in such ways, understand that their “faith” has become hostile to traditional religious values such as kindness, empathy, self-restraint, grace, honesty and humility.

Robert P. Jones, who leads the Public Religion Research Institute, writes that “in the upside-down world white evangelicalism has become, the willingness to act in self-sacrificial ways for the sake of vulnerable others — even amid a global p******c — has become rare, even antithetical, to an aggressive, rights-asserting white Christian culture.” The result is reckless self-indulgence that places some evangelicals’ own aversion to “being told what to do” ahead of the health and lives of vulnerable populations.

Jones explains:
White evangelicals remain the most v*****e resistant of any major religious group, with one quarter (25%) refusing v******tion (compared to only 13% of the country). And these refusal rates are not all tied to theological objections. Only 13% of white evangelicals say the teachings of their religion prohibit receiving a v*****e, a rate comparable to the general public (10%).

Strikingly, the evidence suggests churches and pastors are the heart of the problem. White evangelicals who attend religious services regularly are twice as likely as less frequent attenders to be v*****e refusers (30% vs. 15%). If ever there were clear evidence of a massive abdication of pastoral responsibility and leadership, this is it.
As self-identified evangelicals reject small inconveniences and show disdain for others’ lives, Jones observes, “there is no hint of awareness that their actions are a mockery of the central biblical injunction to care for the orphan, the widow, the stranger, and the vulnerable among us.”

In sum, while the White evangelical political movement has done immeasurable damage to our democracy, its descent into MAGA politics, conspiratorial thinking and cult worship has had catastrophic results for the religious values evangelicals once held dear. Jones writes: “It’s important to say this straight. This refusal to act to protect the vulnerable — particularly because of the low personal costs involved — is raw, callous selfishness. Exhibited by people I love, it is heartbreaking. Expressed by people who claim to be followers of Jesus, it is maddening.”

If these trends continue uninterrupted, we will wind up with a country rooted in neither democratic principles nor religious values. That would be a mean, violent and intolerant future few of us would want to experience."


Jennifer Rubin, The Washington Post
"Much has been written about White evangelica... (show quote)


What amazes me are all the stupid responses by atheists who quote the Bible to make a point.
Yet fail to point out the hypocrisy of 99.9% of muslims who refuse to follow their Quran.

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Dec 30, 2021 11:03:58   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Al of the above is exactly why I choose not to follow ANY Religion. All religious people on any side of any issue use their religious teachings to prove the correctness of their positions and I have the feeling that each are wrong. If one has no religious faith, it has nothing to do with Trump. And being a Trump supporter is no different than a Biden supporter, in that both believe in the correctness of each's position. And BTW one can believe in as God concept without following any religion. How many people have been k**led for no other reason than "my religion is superior to your religion" and if you dont change we are commanded by OUR religion to k**l you"?

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Dec 30, 2021 11:04:29   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What amazes me are all the stupid responses by atheists who quote the Bible to make a point.
Yet fail to point out the hypocrisy of 99.9% of muslims who refuse to follow their Quran.


Are you addressing me?

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Dec 30, 2021 11:10:48   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Are you addressing me?


All those who call the Bible fiction then use it in this string.

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Dec 30, 2021 11:28:50   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
dennis2146 wrote:
The amazing part of the post I see is the comment, White Evangelicals. I don't stray much from my own religion but aren't there any black, brown or other people who are Evangelicals other than White? If there are then why are those people not included since they would be in the same numbers presented, would they not?

Dennis


R****m from WAPO and that far left wing Brandonette, Jennifer Rubin. Just what you would expect from the UGLIES on here.

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Dec 30, 2021 11:33:44   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
More liberal WAR ON RELIGION

When will you stop poisoning your mind against your fellow Americans, when will you come to understand that when people like Jennifer Rubin and others cited in this article make a lucrative living by feeding you this BS?


Bull the article was making the point that the evangelical belief has been corrupted and the most corrupted are the white segment of the evangelical movement. And as the title of the thread states that corruption can be traced to trump Whose version of the ten commandments is real “ one commandment only” what ever Benefits me and makes me look good is great”

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