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Dec 31, 2021 17:28:09   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Title 40?
Environment?
You might want to at least try to use the correct reference.

Perhaps 40 US Code that is being totally ignored by Biden and all democrats.
There is a Title 42 to expel i*****l a***ns, also completely ignored by Biden and the democrats.
But Title 40?
Oh well ignorance among libs overflows.
Title 40? br Environment? br You might want to at ... (show quote)


Sorry I had the number wrong but the status is correct

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-sides-with-biden-allows-border-expulsions-families-continue-2021-09-30/

https://www.axios.com/migrants-title-42-biden-admin-expulsions-appeals-court-a584913d-8404-45ba-a06d-865a939d19c4.html

I surprised you weren’t up to speed on this .

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Dec 31, 2021 17:28:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Because more are coming to the border not mean policy has changed it only means more are coming and more are being apprehended

Answer the question what policy other than what I mention had changed.

The only change wall construction was to stop redirection if find nothing else

Title 40’ is as it was and administration is arguing in court to keep it

MPP was fought in coury and is being reimplemented in stronger form than trump

So what changed ???


You know you are getting to be a real PITA. You asked what changed. I pointed out 2 Million more people had changed. You cannot accept that but it is true. I have no idea WTF MPP even means. Title 40 USC says Public Buildings, Property, and Works. Is that what you are looking for? Do you really expect all of us to have some knowledge of this BS you try to foist on us? I have no idea and don't much care. You want answers but can't handle them when they are given to you. Next time be EXACT in what you are asking for or don't ask and waste our time.

Dennis

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Dec 31, 2021 17:30:06   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You know you are getting to be a real PITA. You asked what changed. I pointed out 2 Million more people had changed. You cannot accept that but it is true. I have no idea WTF MPP even means. Title 40 USC says Public Buildings, Property, and Works. Is that what you are looking for? Do you really expect all of us to have some knowledge of this BS you try to foist on us? I have no idea and don't much care. You want answers but can't handle them when they are given to you. Next time be EXACT in what you are asking for or don't ask and waste our time.

Dennis
You know you are getting to be a real PITA. You a... (show quote)


Next time don’t be such as ass every time you post

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Dec 31, 2021 17:33:32   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Next time don’t be such as ass every time you post


WOW!!!! Now we know you are losing as you are resorting to name calling. That is what happens when Liberals lose to Conservatives. Are you starting to feel the pain of your panties getting in a was little girl?

I posted this but so far you have ignored it. You wanted changes and here is one. I was right. You don't have a clue. You just want to mouth off and think you have done something. Well you have done something and on a regular basis. You have played the fool and all of it is on YOU.

Are you insane. One HUGE policy that changed was Biden INVITING i*****l a***ns to cross the border. The change was so asinine the SCOTUS just stepped in and ORDERED Biden to go back to the policy Trump had initiated regarding i*****l a***ns staying in Mexico until their case had been adjudicated. Don't you pay attention. Actually I doubted you would have a clue.

Dennis

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Dec 31, 2021 17:34:45   #
pendennis
 
DennyT wrote:
And you side step the distrust of government by b****s due to past history of ’ medical experimentation on b****s by federal govt 1932-1972 by the very same cdc that is now saying get v******ted
I can only imagine if that atrocity had been perpetrated on White what their v******tion rate would be.


I didn't "sidestep" anything. What the statistics in Detroit demonstrate, is the abject ignorance of a large portion of the population of that city. I see the result of the lack of education every day, and "distrust of the CDC" is a canard. I don't trust the CDC, but I also know that education means obtaining learning everyday, outside the classroom. I took my philosophy professor very seriously when he stated that my degree would be pr********n for learning after college.

Detroit public schools only graduates around 72% of its students. Statewide the graduation rate is over 81%.

The city of Detroit is the poster child for the nanny state.

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Dec 31, 2021 17:54:34   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"Much has been written about White evangelicals’ central role in the fraying of democracy. More attention, however, should be paid to the damage the political movement has inflicted on religion itself.

The demographic — which remains in the throes of White grievance and an apocalyptic vision that postulates America (indeed “Western civilization”) is under attack from socialists, foreigners and secularists — forms the core of the MAGA movement. Many have rejected the sanctity of e******ns, the principle of inclusion and even objective reality.
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The consequences have been dire for American politics. The siege mentality has morphed into an ends-justify-the-means style of politics in which lies, brutal discourse and even violence are applauded as necessary to protect “real America.” Essential features of democracy, such as the peaceful t******r of p***r, compromise with political opponents and defining America as an idea and not a racial or religious identity, have fallen by the wayside.
Jennifer Rubin: America cannot give evangelicals what they want

Sadly, the degradation of democracy has intensified in the wake of Joe Biden’s victory. The doctrinal elevation of the “big lie," the increase in violent rhetoric and the effort to rig e******ns all reflect a heightened desperation by the MAGA crowd. This has driven the GOP to new lows (e.g., v*****e refusal to “own the libs,” virtually all House Republicans defending an animation depicting the murder of a congresswoman).

While lovers of democracy around the world view these developments in horror, we should not lose track of the damage the MAGA movement has wrought to religious values. Peter Wehner, an evangelical Christian and former adviser to President George W. Bush, explains in a column for the Atlantic how a recent speech from Donald Trump Jr. reflects the inversion of religious faith. “The former president’s son,” Wehner writes, “has a message for the tens of millions of evangelicals who form the energized base of the GOP: the scriptures are essentially a manual for suckers. The teachings of Jesus have ‘gotten us nothing.’ ”

Wehner continues:
It’s worse than that, really; the ethic of Jesus has gotten in the way of successfully prosecuting the culture wars against the left. If the ethic of Jesus encourages sensibilities that might cause people in politics to act a little less brutally, a bit more civilly, with a touch more grace? Then it needs to go. Decency is for suckers.

Understanding this phenomenon goes a long way toward explaining the MAGA crowd’s very unreligious cruelty toward immigrants, its selfish refusal to v******te to protect the most vulnerable and its veneration of a vulgar, misogynistic cult leader. If you wonder how so many “people of faith” can behave in such ways, understand that their “faith” has become hostile to traditional religious values such as kindness, empathy, self-restraint, grace, honesty and humility.

Robert P. Jones, who leads the Public Religion Research Institute, writes that “in the upside-down world white evangelicalism has become, the willingness to act in self-sacrificial ways for the sake of vulnerable others — even amid a global p******c — has become rare, even antithetical, to an aggressive, rights-asserting white Christian culture.” The result is reckless self-indulgence that places some evangelicals’ own aversion to “being told what to do” ahead of the health and lives of vulnerable populations.

Jones explains:
White evangelicals remain the most v*****e resistant of any major religious group, with one quarter (25%) refusing v******tion (compared to only 13% of the country). And these refusal rates are not all tied to theological objections. Only 13% of white evangelicals say the teachings of their religion prohibit receiving a v*****e, a rate comparable to the general public (10%).

Strikingly, the evidence suggests churches and pastors are the heart of the problem. White evangelicals who attend religious services regularly are twice as likely as less frequent attenders to be v*****e refusers (30% vs. 15%). If ever there were clear evidence of a massive abdication of pastoral responsibility and leadership, this is it.
As self-identified evangelicals reject small inconveniences and show disdain for others’ lives, Jones observes, “there is no hint of awareness that their actions are a mockery of the central biblical injunction to care for the orphan, the widow, the stranger, and the vulnerable among us.”

In sum, while the White evangelical political movement has done immeasurable damage to our democracy, its descent into MAGA politics, conspiratorial thinking and cult worship has had catastrophic results for the religious values evangelicals once held dear. Jones writes: “It’s important to say this straight. This refusal to act to protect the vulnerable — particularly because of the low personal costs involved — is raw, callous selfishness. Exhibited by people I love, it is heartbreaking. Expressed by people who claim to be followers of Jesus, it is maddening.”

If these trends continue uninterrupted, we will wind up with a country rooted in neither democratic principles nor religious values. That would be a mean, violent and intolerant future few of us would want to experience."


Jennifer Rubin, The Washington Post
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Typical left wing swill.

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Dec 31, 2021 19:14:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
SteveR wrote:
Typical left wing swill.


I love the way you phrased that. Well done. Accurate too.

Dennis

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Dec 31, 2021 19:41:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 


You are the one not up to speed, do not even know what it is.

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Dec 31, 2021 19:41:54   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
pendennis wrote:
I didn't "sidestep" anything. What the statistics in Detroit demonstrate, is the abject ignorance of a large portion of the population of that city. I see the result of the lack of education every day, and "distrust of the CDC" is a canard. I don't trust the CDC, but I also know that education means obtaining learning everyday, outside the classroom. I took my philosophy professor very seriously when he stated that my degree would be pr********n for learning after college.

Detroit public schools only graduates around 72% of its students. Statewide the graduation rate is over 81%.

The city of Detroit is the poster child for the nanny state.
I didn't "sidestep" anything. What the ... (show quote)



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Dec 31, 2021 19:42:55   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Architect1776 wrote:
You are the one not up to speed, do not even know what it is.


I see no comment. About current administration trying to continue . At least I admit I was wrong

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Dec 31, 2021 21:24:39   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
I see no comment. About current administration trying to continue . At least I admit I was wrong


Are you insane? That isn’t close to what you have been saying. Actually a complete 180. Good grief.

Dennis

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Dec 31, 2021 23:00:08   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
Increased numbers just mean more are coming not that policy changed .
I have research and find very little change , concerning “ stopping the wall. The only portion stopped was hat funded by redirected funds from things like DOD schools.
Title 40, the administration is currently at the Supreme Court support it.

MPP , yes fought but being reimplemented in a broader form than trump .

So yes I have tried and see little change and virtually no change in policy. The noise is about so many coming but the apprehensions are way up also.

Do tell me what I am missing other than political spin with no facts.
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Policy changed in the eyes of immigrants when Biden halted the wall and quashed the stay in Mexico rule. Surely you can see the immediate rush of immigrant caravans that happened when he made those announcements, the Immigrants saw that as an invitation by the New President. Apparently Joe realized that when he restarted the wall project and is preparing to enforce stay In Mexico.

Happy New Year.

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Jan 1, 2022 01:38:05   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
letmedance wrote:
Policy changed in the eyes of immigrants when Biden halted the wall and quashed the stay in Mexico rule. Surely you can see the immediate rush of immigrant caravans that happened when he made those announcements, the Immigrants saw that as an invitation by the New President. Apparently Joe realized that when he restarted the wall project and is preparing to enforce stay In Mexico.

Happy New Year.


Biden is ONLY enforcing Trump’s policy forcing i*****l a***ns to remain in Mexico until their case is adjudicated because SCOTUS made him do it. Biden is still fighting it.

Dennis

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Jan 1, 2022 03:14:34   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
Wow, that was hard to read. Some guy posted from a column he read in the Atlantic. Everybody jumps and says crap like "Typical left wing swill." No wonder I don't post here much.

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Jan 1, 2022 11:44:53   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Laramie wrote:
Wow, that was hard to read. Some guy posted from a column he read in the Atlantic. Everybody jumps and says crap like "Typical left wing swill." No wonder I don't post here much.


Yet I notice when the Left posts their version of BS you don't seem to mind. How Left Wingish of you.

Dennis

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