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Dec 4, 2021 07:10:09   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
chasgroh wrote:
I do alot of pageantry (marching band, drumcorps and color guard, anything like that...) and just got done with my last batch for the season. I put a few of each group up in a continuous/living FB folder all season. Well, a uniform company (of course not "The Company" but someone running their FB page) just lifted a few of my shots for advertising/blurb purposes on their page. They gave me credit, and I've done work for pay for them before...but this kinda blindsided me. I've written a message to the page admin(s) and we will see how they respond, but this is kinda invasive, no?
I do alot of pageantry (marching band, drumcorps a... (show quote)


All of my images are copywritten on the digital image. If they are used for money, you can legally sue. Or just watermark the crap out of them.

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Dec 4, 2021 07:43:15   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
luvmypets wrote:
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it is not legally binding but if you post it (make sure you save it so you can show that you posted it) it would be 1 piece of evidence that you are trying to protect your photos. I never post my best photos on Facebook. I have put a few that I consider really good on UHH.

Do you have your personal info in your metadata so that you can be contacted by someone wanting to use your photos? It was recommended that you put your name and an email address (as the very least amount of personal data) into the metadata.

I would also not rely on the Facebook messaging for contact with the company; I would call them directly.

Best wishes that an honest company will do the right thing.

Dodie


From Facebook:
The new Facebook/Meta rule starts tomorrow where they can use your photos. Don't forget the deadline is today! This could be used in lawsuits against you. Everything you've ever posted is posted today - even messages that have been deleted. It doesn't cost anything, just copy and post, better than regretting later.
Under UCC Law Sections 1-207, 1-308... I am imposing my Reservation of Rights...
I DO NOT ALLOW Facebook/Meta or any other Facebook/Meta related person to use my photos, information, messages or messages, both in the past and in the future. This statement I inform Facebook/Meta that it is strictly prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute or take any other action against me based on this account and / or its contents. This account content is private and confidential information. Violation of my personal life may be punished by law.
NOTE: Facebook/Meta is now a public organization. All participants should post a note like this.
If you prefer, you can copy and paste this version. If you don't publish a discharge at least once, you'll automatically allow the use of your photos, as well as the information contained in your account status updates. NOT ′′ share ′′ but ′′ copy + paste "!
Their new algorithm is chosen by the same people - about 25 who will read your posts.
Consequently:
Hold your finger anywhere in this post and a copy will appear. Click on Copy. Then go to your page, start a new post and place your finger in an empty field. ′′ Insert ′′ will appear and you will click on it. This will pass the system.

I'm not giving Facebook/Meta permission to share my information posted on their website. PHOTOS, CURRENT or PAST, PUBLICATION, PHONE NUMBER OR POST... Absolutely nothing can be used in any form without my written permission.
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago... (show quote)


Thank you. I did copy and paste

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Dec 4, 2021 08:22:43   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
A friend of mine found some of her husbands images on this persons FB page.
I have in the past had people use my pictures without my permission.
It happens. The best thing you can do is download small images and put your watermark, in very big type, on them.
Not sure if there is a way to block someone from copying them. If there is, I would like to know about it.

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Dec 4, 2021 09:19:59   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
My theory is that when you post a photo on a public forum it’s free to anyone, watermarked or not. Giving you credit for the photo was a courtesy. It’s unethical to copy a photo and use it commercially but I don’t think it’s illegal in this case.

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Dec 4, 2021 09:24:48   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
gvarner wrote:
My theory is that when you post a photo on a public forum it’s free to anyone, watermarked or not. Giving you credit for the photo was a courtesy. It’s unethical to copy a photo and use it commercially but I don’t think it’s illegal in this case.

So absconding with someone's image for non-commercial use is "legal"?

Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it "free to scarf"...
They still own all rights to the image, it's their creation.
Just because so many people do it doesn't make it legal.

Like sliding through stop signs when there are no cars around (visible).

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Dec 4, 2021 09:30:41   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
luvmypets wrote:
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it is not legally binding but if you post it (make sure you save it so you can show that you posted it) it would be 1 piece of evidence that you are trying to protect your photos. I never post my best photos on Facebook. I have put a few that I consider really good on UHH.

... [ snipped ]

From Facebook:
The new Facebook/Meta rule starts tomorrow where they can use your photos. Don't forget the deadline is today! This could be used in lawsuits against you. Everything you've ever posted is posted today - even messages that have been deleted..

... [ snipped ]
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago... (show quote)

This is false... Snopes says "We've seen at least a dozen variants of this copy-paste rumor go viral over the past decade. " See: http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/facebook-meta-posts-made-public/

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Dec 4, 2021 09:44:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mallen1330 wrote:
This is false... Snopes says "We've seen at least a dozen variants of this copy-paste rumor go viral over the past decade. " See: http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/facebook-meta-posts-made-public/


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Dec 4, 2021 09:44:58   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Longshadow wrote:
So absconding with someone's image for non-commercial use is "legal"?

Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it "free to scarf"...
They still own all rights to the image, it's their creation.
Just because so many people do it doesn't make it legal.

Like sliding through stop signs when there are no cars around (visible).


It’s unethical perhaps but I don’t think that it’s illegal. Perhaps a copyright attorney would like to weigh in on this.

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Dec 4, 2021 09:52:02   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
gvarner wrote:
It’s unethical perhaps but I don’t think that it’s illegal. Perhaps a copyright attorney would like to weigh in on this.

Oh, so if there is no written law against it (anything?), it is okay.....
Morality not included.
Illegal is only defined by written laws.

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Dec 4, 2021 10:00:10   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
gvarner wrote:
My theory is that when you post a photo on a public forum it’s free to anyone, watermarked or not. Giving you credit for the photo was a courtesy. It’s unethical to copy a photo and use it commercially but I don’t think it’s illegal in this case.


I agree. Like it or not my feeling is that if I post to a public forum my work is in the public domain and free to be used by all viewers even though that site or forum forbids reposting etc.

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Dec 4, 2021 10:03:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ronpier wrote:
I agree. Like it or not my feeling is that if I post to a public forum my work is in the public domain and free to be used by all viewers even though that site or forum forbids reposting etc.

...free to be used by all viewers even though that site or forum forbids reposting etc.

Interesting interpretation.

I suppose if something doesn't suit one, it's okay to ignore it.
The hell with respect.

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Dec 4, 2021 10:20:59   #
ricosha Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This may sound strange to some folks around here. I do not put any images that I value as copyrighted work, work done exclusively for clients or simply stated, for anything that I don't want to be used without my authorization on Facebook or anywhere else online including this forum.

Some folks will lift anything they please regardless of watermarks and copyright notices. This is not fair to me or any other photographer, and my clients that paid for my work and were promised exclusivity.

Anything that I put out there or on this forum to help answer questions, or provide information to other photographers, I consider of no commercial value. I know there are remedies for unauthorized usage but I do not want to spend time and money on lawyers and court time and go through that kind of protracted aggravation.

In 57 years in professional photography, I only sued two clients for unauthorized copying or reproduction of my work I won both lawsuits and was fairly compensated but, believe me, it is not worth the time and trouble.

My contract protects me on all my portrait, commercial and industrial work. Online- sometimes it's a free-for-all. Someone can be using you image on the other side of the work- how are you gonna know?
This may sound strange to some folks around here. ... (show quote)



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Dec 4, 2021 10:21:22   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Longshadow wrote:
Oh, so if there is no written law against it (anything?), it is okay.....
Morality not included.
Illegal is only defined by written laws.


I didn’t say it is ok. I said it’s unethical. I certainly wouldn’t characterize it as being immoral. A copywrite attorney could shed more light on the issue.

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Dec 4, 2021 10:39:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
gvarner wrote:
I didn’t say it is ok. I said it’s unethical. I certainly wouldn’t characterize it as being immoral. A copywrite attorney could shed more light on the issue.

Okay, to hell with ethics then.

But you did say "My theory is that when you post a photo on a public forum it’s free to anyone, watermarked or not."
Not unethical???

If I want it I'll copy it even though the poster requests/states not to.
What "I" want to do is more important than what they want.

Your theory.

MY theory is that it is not 'free to copy'. The person who posted it owns all rights to it.

If an artist posts a picture of their work on the internet, I'm free to download and have it printed and hang it on my wall, correct????? I mean it's in the "public domain" right???

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Dec 4, 2021 10:40:31   #
mallen1330 Loc: Chicago western suburbs
 
gvarner wrote:
It’s unethical perhaps but I don’t think that it’s illegal. Perhaps a copyright attorney would like to weigh in on this.

Yes it IS illegal. From this site: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Anything you create and "publish" is automatically copyrighted unless you say it's not. For greater protection and in order to prosecute offenders, you can register your work with the US Copyright office.

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner."

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