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Dec 3, 2021 20:58:59   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
I do alot of pageantry (marching band, drumcorps and color guard, anything like that...) and just got done with my last batch for the season. I put a few of each group up in a continuous/living FB folder all season. Well, a uniform company (of course not "The Company" but someone running their FB page) just lifted a few of my shots for advertising/blurb purposes on their page. They gave me credit, and I've done work for pay for them before...but this kinda blindsided me. I've written a message to the page admin(s) and we will see how they respond, but this is kinda invasive, no?

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Dec 3, 2021 21:06:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Yes, It shows lack of respect for the creator and the creator's work.
Too many people think that whatever is on the net is up for grabs for free, and copy and use without permission.

I would never do that without the creator's consent, and have always given credit and "used here with permission" on it once I obtained permission to use.

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Dec 3, 2021 21:07:19   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Did you put a watermark on them? If you put them someplace where anyone can download / save the images (aka most of the internet, including public-facing FB and UHH), you have to assume they'll be taken. It makes sense to consider which images to publicly share as well as the posted resolution.

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Dec 3, 2021 21:28:25   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it is not legally binding but if you post it (make sure you save it so you can show that you posted it) it would be 1 piece of evidence that you are trying to protect your photos. I never post my best photos on Facebook. I have put a few that I consider really good on UHH.

Do you have your personal info in your metadata so that you can be contacted by someone wanting to use your photos? It was recommended that you put your name and an email address (as the very least amount of personal data) into the metadata.

I would also not rely on the Facebook messaging for contact with the company; I would call them directly.

Best wishes that an honest company will do the right thing.

Dodie


From Facebook:
The new Facebook/Meta rule starts tomorrow where they can use your photos. Don't forget the deadline is today! This could be used in lawsuits against you. Everything you've ever posted is posted today - even messages that have been deleted. It doesn't cost anything, just copy and post, better than regretting later.
Under UCC Law Sections 1-207, 1-308... I am imposing my Reservation of Rights...
I DO NOT ALLOW Facebook/Meta or any other Facebook/Meta related person to use my photos, information, messages or messages, both in the past and in the future. This statement I inform Facebook/Meta that it is strictly prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute or take any other action against me based on this account and / or its contents. This account content is private and confidential information. Violation of my personal life may be punished by law.
NOTE: Facebook/Meta is now a public organization. All participants should post a note like this.
If you prefer, you can copy and paste this version. If you don't publish a discharge at least once, you'll automatically allow the use of your photos, as well as the information contained in your account status updates. NOT ′′ share ′′ but ′′ copy + paste "!
Their new algorithm is chosen by the same people - about 25 who will read your posts.
Consequently:
Hold your finger anywhere in this post and a copy will appear. Click on Copy. Then go to your page, start a new post and place your finger in an empty field. ′′ Insert ′′ will appear and you will click on it. This will pass the system.

I'm not giving Facebook/Meta permission to share my information posted on their website. PHOTOS, CURRENT or PAST, PUBLICATION, PHONE NUMBER OR POST... Absolutely nothing can be used in any form without my written permission.

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Dec 3, 2021 21:30:57   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Did you put a watermark on them? If you put them someplace where anyone can download / save the images (aka most of the internet, including public-facing FB and UHH), you have to assume they'll be taken. It makes sense to consider which images to publicly share as well as the posted resolution.


I don't use watermarks 'cept for my selling site. I know it's loose, but that's the way I do things. This issue has been settled, thankfully, as a friend of mine is on staff with the company. I think I was reacting to the immediacy of the net and how ethics has become the *real* issue! Thanks for your comment, Paul.

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Dec 3, 2021 21:36:08   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
luvmypets wrote:
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it is not legally binding but if you post it (make sure you save it so you can show that you posted it) it would be 1 piece of evidence that you are trying to protect your photos. I never post my best photos on Facebook. I have put a few that I consider really good on UHH.

Do you have your personal info in your metadata so that you can be contacted by someone wanting to use your photos? It was recommended that you put your name and an email address (as the very least amount of personal data) into the metadata.

I would also not rely on the Facebook messaging for contact with the company; I would call them directly.

Best wishes that an honest company will do the right thing.

Dodie


From Facebook:
The new Facebook/Meta rule starts tomorrow where they can use your photos. Don't forget the deadline is today! This could be used in lawsuits against you. Everything you've ever posted is posted today - even messages that have been deleted. It doesn't cost anything, just copy and post, better than regretting later.
Under UCC Law Sections 1-207, 1-308... I am imposing my Reservation of Rights...
I DO NOT ALLOW Facebook/Meta or any other Facebook/Meta related person to use my photos, information, messages or messages, both in the past and in the future. This statement I inform Facebook/Meta that it is strictly prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute or take any other action against me based on this account and / or its contents. This account content is private and confidential information. Violation of my personal life may be punished by law.
NOTE: Facebook/Meta is now a public organization. All participants should post a note like this.
If you prefer, you can copy and paste this version. If you don't publish a discharge at least once, you'll automatically allow the use of your photos, as well as the information contained in your account status updates. NOT ′′ share ′′ but ′′ copy + paste "!
Their new algorithm is chosen by the same people - about 25 who will read your posts.
Consequently:
Hold your finger anywhere in this post and a copy will appear. Click on Copy. Then go to your page, start a new post and place your finger in an empty field. ′′ Insert ′′ will appear and you will click on it. This will pass the system.

I'm not giving Facebook/Meta permission to share my information posted on their website. PHOTOS, CURRENT or PAST, PUBLICATION, PHONE NUMBER OR POST... Absolutely nothing can be used in any form without my written permission.
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago... (show quote)


...thanks! This is valuable and I'm copy/pasting soon! The issue has been resolved...so that's cool!

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Dec 3, 2021 21:46:23   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
chasgroh wrote:
...thanks! This is valuable and I'm copy/pasting soon! The issue has been resolved...so that's cool!


I'm glad everything worked out.

Dodie

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Dec 3, 2021 21:48:29   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
luvmypets wrote:
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure it is not legally binding but if you post it (make sure you save it so you can show that you posted it) it would be 1 piece of evidence that you are trying to protect your photos. I never post my best photos on Facebook. I have put a few that I consider really good on UHH.

Do you have your personal info in your metadata so that you can be contacted by someone wanting to use your photos? It was recommended that you put your name and an email address (as the very least amount of personal data) into the metadata.

I would also not rely on the Facebook messaging for contact with the company; I would call them directly.

Best wishes that an honest company will do the right thing.

Dodie


From Facebook:
The new Facebook/Meta rule starts tomorrow where they can use your photos. Don't forget the deadline is today! This could be used in lawsuits against you. Everything you've ever posted is posted today - even messages that have been deleted. It doesn't cost anything, just copy and post, better than regretting later.
Under UCC Law Sections 1-207, 1-308... I am imposing my Reservation of Rights...
I DO NOT ALLOW Facebook/Meta or any other Facebook/Meta related person to use my photos, information, messages or messages, both in the past and in the future. This statement I inform Facebook/Meta that it is strictly prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute or take any other action against me based on this account and / or its contents. This account content is private and confidential information. Violation of my personal life may be punished by law.
NOTE: Facebook/Meta is now a public organization. All participants should post a note like this.
If you prefer, you can copy and paste this version. If you don't publish a discharge at least once, you'll automatically allow the use of your photos, as well as the information contained in your account status updates. NOT ′′ share ′′ but ′′ copy + paste "!
Their new algorithm is chosen by the same people - about 25 who will read your posts.
Consequently:
Hold your finger anywhere in this post and a copy will appear. Click on Copy. Then go to your page, start a new post and place your finger in an empty field. ′′ Insert ′′ will appear and you will click on it. This will pass the system.

I'm not giving Facebook/Meta permission to share my information posted on their website. PHOTOS, CURRENT or PAST, PUBLICATION, PHONE NUMBER OR POST... Absolutely nothing can be used in any form without my written permission.
This went around on Facebook a couple of weeks ago... (show quote)


Haha - That Facebook meme has been "starting tomorrow" for the past three years at least.......
It just keeps going around and around.
Posting that means nothing.

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Dec 3, 2021 21:56:12   #
luvmypets Loc: Born & raised Texan living in Fayetteville NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
Haha - That Facebook meme has been "starting tomorrow" for the past three years at least.......
Posting that means nothing.


I'm sure it doesn't. Posting a statement like this at least shows that you don't want your photos used without permission. It would probably be more effective to post with every photo you put on the internet but a thief will steal no matter what you do. Posting such a statement will have the same effect as a fence or a "keep out" sign. It shows you are making an effort.

Dodie

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Dec 3, 2021 21:58:48   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
luvmypets wrote:
I'm sure it doesn't. Posting a statement like this at least shows that you don't want your photos used without permission. It would probably be more effective to post with every photo you put on the internet but a thief will steal no matter what you do. Posting such a statement will have the same effect as a fence or a "keep out" sign. It shows you are making an effort.

Dodie


...my take exactly. Can't hurt! Plus, you're on record.

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Dec 3, 2021 22:02:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
luvmypets wrote:
I'm sure it doesn't. Posting a statement like this at least shows that you don't want your photos used without permission. It would probably be more effective to post with every photo you put on the internet but a thief will steal no matter what you do. Posting such a statement will have the same effect as a fence or a "keep out" sign. It shows you are making an effort.

Dodie

Exactly.

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Dec 3, 2021 22:51:17   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
This may sound strange to some folks around here. I do not put any images that I value as copyrighted work, work done exclusively for clients or simply stated, for anything that I don't want to be used without my authorization on Facebook or anywhere else online including this forum.

Some folks will lift anything they please regardless of watermarks and copyright notices. This is not fair to me or any other photographer, and my clients that paid for my work and were promised exclusivity.

Anything that I put out there or on this forum to help answer questions, or provide information to other photographers, I consider of no commercial value. I know there are remedies for unauthorized usage but I do not want to spend time and money on lawyers and court time and go through that kind of protracted aggravation.

In 57 years in professional photography, I only sued two clients for unauthorized copying or reproduction of my work I won both lawsuits and was fairly compensated but, believe me, it is not worth the time and trouble.

My contract protects me on all my portrait, commercial and industrial work. Online- sometimes it's a free-for-all. Someone can be using you image on the other side of the work- how are you gonna know?

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Dec 4, 2021 01:30:27   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
This may sound strange to some folks around here. I do not put any images that I value as copyrighted work, work done exclusively for clients or simply stated, for anything that I don't want to be used without my authorization on Facebook or anywhere else online including this forum.

Some folks will lift anything they please regardless of watermarks and copyright notices. This is not fair to me or any other photographer, and my clients that paid for my work and were promised exclusivity.

Anything that I put out there or on this forum to help answer questions, or provide information to other photographers, I consider of no commercial value. I know there are remedies for unauthorized usage but I do not want to spend time and money on lawyers and court time and go through that kind of protracted aggravation.

In 57 years in professional photogrhy, I only sued two clients for unauthorized copying or reproduction of my work I won both lawsuits and was fairly compensated but, believe me, it is not worth the time and trouble.

My contract protects me on all my portrait, commercial and industrial work. Online- sometimes it's a free-for-all. Someone can be using you image on the other side of the work- how are you gonna know?
This may sound strange to some folks around here. ... (show quote)


...you're the old pro around here, Mr Shapiro. Much respect for your ethics and decades in business. There are many artists out there who just shrug their collective shoulders and think ahead. I'm one of them and don't really care to keep my work from the public. Part of this attitude is just establishing a brand, which is mostly online. There's the rub...the internet. I'm convinced that through the web is my marketing future, so I take my lumps. The genesis of this post has been rectified, but I'm sure at least a few of my images are doing *something* on the other side of the planet. Oh well. My business is dependent on *some* live gigs and those go on my site or are dealt with as you would...the rest is an amalgum of printing, framing and creating wall art. *That* content is hard to make anything from as its all hung and framed...yes there are core images but I just can't be bothered with chasing around, unless I know just where to go, as in this post. I guess what I'm saying is, it's a new world and I've totally joined-in, for better or worse!

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Dec 4, 2021 05:17:17   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
chasgroh wrote:
...you're the old pro around here, Mr Shapiro. Much respect for your ethics and decades in business. There are many artists out there who just shrug their collective shoulders and think ahead. I'm one of them and don't really care to keep my work from the public. Part of this attitude is just establishing a brand, which is mostly online. There's the rub...the internet. I'm convinced that through the web is my marketing future, so I take my lumps. The genesis of this post has been rectified, but I'm sure at least a few of my images are doing *something* on the other side of the planet. Oh well. My business is dependent on *some* live gigs and those go on my site or are dealt with as you would...the rest is an amalgum of printing, framing and creating wall art. *That* content is hard to make anything from as its all hung and framed...yes there are core images but I just can't be bothered with chasing around, unless I know just where to go, as in this post. I guess what I'm saying is, it's a new world and I've totally joined-in, for better or worse!
...you're the old pro around here, Mr Shapiro. Mu... (show quote)


The only "protection" that is of any value is to register your images with the US Copyright office. Having a valid copyright allows you to go after a thief in federal court, and help ensure that you win treble damages - which can range up to $150,000 per image. If the work is not registered, they won't even hear the case.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/504#

Basically you cannot deter someone from using your "stuff", but if the infringer has deep pockets, you can have an attorney dip into those deep pockets to share their wealth and teach them a lesson.

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Dec 4, 2021 05:54:44   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Did you put a watermark on them? If you put them someplace where anyone can download / save the images (aka most of the internet, including public-facing FB and UHH), you have to assume they'll be taken. It makes sense to consider which images to publicly share as well as the posted resolution.


Well said Paul. Pretty much what I was going to say, especially the inclusion of the watermark. I know it's an extra step, but it's not difficult or really time consuming, especially for the "special" shots you want to protect.

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