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Nov 24, 2021 00:13:26   #
MDI Mainer
 
Let's remember that, if the USA import arm of a manufacturer is so foolish as to refuse service to a grey market camera, there is an international alternative for service, albeit more complex to access.

So the gray market equation is not less cost for no service, but less cost for a different service. And why should a consumer not profit personally from today's international market? The manufacturers certainly do.

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Nov 24, 2021 10:13:58   #
Zeke4351 Loc: Kentucky
 
smussler wrote:
It only matters for warranty work. - Not true with Nikon afaik, so you're passing on false info too.


There are other places available for repairs on Nikon other than Nikon USA.
True or false?

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Nov 24, 2021 10:16:53   #
BebuLamar
 
Zeke4351 wrote:
There are other places available for repairs on Nikon other than Nikon USA.
True or false?


Many places would try to but can they fix it if they don't have parts? For very old cameras like film cameras from the 60's 80's these places are actually a better suited to fix a Nikon but for a 1 year old mirrorless I doubt that they can fix it.

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Nov 24, 2021 11:41:20   #
Zeke4351 Loc: Kentucky
 
Zeke4351 wrote:
There are other places available for repairs on Nikon other than Nikon USA.
True or false?


So where do people in Europe and Asia get Nikon repairs? I buy a lot of Nikon products from a large camera shop in Tokyo. Great to deal with and my shipments usually get to me within 3 days. In my 70 years I have never needed any camera or lens repaired other than the Nikon D750 recall. Mine was not needing repair but was taken care of by Nikon. It was not a USA model.

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Nov 24, 2021 12:06:05   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
luvmypets wrote:
...I prefer knowing that if any of my Nikons need repair that I can send them to Nikon and not have to find a repair shop that will work on a grey market model....


Actually, Nikon USA has changed their policy and they now will work on grey market, though it will be at the customer's expense (i.e., no warranty). Once a USA camera is out of warranty, the cost will be the same as getting a gray market camera repaired.

However, Nikon USA still has a policy that they will not sell most replacement parts. Most parts are only available to their factory service centers. Independent repairers have to actually do repair work (rather than just replace parts) or scavenge parts from donor cameras (hence the market for unrepairable cameras on certain auction sites) or use some replacement parts that are being made by other manufacturers.

Zeke4351 wrote:
There are other places available for repairs on Nikon other than Nikon USA. True or false?


False...

Well, sort of.

Nikon USA also "fired" all their "authorized repair shops"... There used to be 15 or 20 of them, as well as the factory service centers. Now the only place to get Nikon repair done in the US is through the factory service centers.... Unless you can find an independent repair shop that can handle the work without need for replacement parts.

As someone else already said... unless you go to Nikon USA's own service centers with it, you'll likely have trouble getting a one, two or three year old digital camera repaired. Yet you can get a Nikon F from 1960 or FM2 from 1980 repaired almost anywhere.

Nikon USA states their policy is "to insure high quality repairs". No mention that it also insures all the work and money go to Nikon USA.

There are "right to repair" cases taking place in various courts as well as laws being written and enacted in a number of US states, mostly involving automobiles and consumer electronics where the manufacturers have tried to design things and restrict access to parts to make it difficult or impossible for anyone other than their own service centers to work on them, or are forcing consumers to buy a new product when something breaks. It will be interesting to see if Nikon USA gets in trouble over this.

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Nov 24, 2021 12:38:50   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Zeke4351 wrote:
So where do people in Europe and Asia get Nikon repairs?


Where they bought the Nikon equipment. Nikon USA doesn't service the entire world.

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Nov 24, 2021 12:43:18   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
You said, "Actually, Nikon USA has changed their policy and they now will work on grey market, though it will be at the customer's expense (i.e., no warranty). Once a USA camera is out of warranty, the cost will be the same as getting a gray market camera repaired."

This is contrary to the information on Nikon's web site. I know they did this a few years ago, but it would seem that they have changed their minds.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-store/shopping-help/gray-market.page

If true, and you buy a grey market camera that is recalled for a defect, are you screwed?

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Nov 24, 2021 17:23:54   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
ronpier wrote:
I never worry about repairs since I have never needed one in 16 years. Much of my gear is used and beyond any warranty other than the reseller’s warranty. I feel that I am way ahead and if the item is unrepairable it gets to be a paperweight. This stuff is so darn reliable anyway and unlike a vehicle will hardly ever be in for repairs.


This is all subject to how often/hard you use your gear. Best of luck.

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Nov 24, 2021 17:28:16   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
At the end of the day, it's just so much easier to buy Nikon USA gear. I can't afford the lost time or expense to send gear to Japan for repair. Best of luck to all. Happy Turkey Day!!!

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Nov 24, 2021 18:08:19   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
smussler wrote:
It only matters for warranty work. - Not true with Nikon afaik, so you're passing on false info too.


KEH repairs cameras and there others. Much to do about very little.

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Nov 24, 2021 18:21:58   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Never is too strong. But even the good ones seem to try and conceal it with statements like "International Warranty". That is deceptive to US buyers who are naive about the grey market limitations of some manufacturers. Nikon might be the worst refusing even to work on anything grey market even if you are willing to pay.

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Nov 24, 2021 18:26:33   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
cjc2 wrote:
At the end of the day, it's just so much easier to buy Nikon USA gear. I can't afford the lost time or expense to send gear to Japan for repair. Best of luck to all. Happy Turkey Day!!!


There are several pieces of good news for some grey-market equipment. First, the grey market hardware is the same as the US labeled. Second cameras and lenses rarely fail. Third sometimes grey-market is less than half the price Nikon wants for US labeled products. So if one ever failed you can chuck it and replace.

I suspect if one did a financial risk analysis looking at the failure experience data grey market might win out.

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Nov 24, 2021 19:55:11   #
BebuLamar
 
IDguy wrote:
There are several pieces of good news for some grey-market equipment. First, the grey market hardware is the same as the US labeled. Second cameras and lenses rarely fail. Third sometimes grey-market is less than half the price Nikon wants for US labeled products. So if one ever failed you can chuck it and replace.

I suspect if one did a financial risk analysis looking at the failure experience data grey market might win out.


Less than half the price? I often saw it's less than 20% off.

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Nov 24, 2021 20:57:26   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
joer wrote:
KEH repairs cameras and there others. Much to do about very little.


Recent model Nikon cameras? My understanding is that Nikon won't sell parts to independent repair businesses any longer. What if there is a recall on a camera, something that has happened on the D610, D750 and D810? Nikon USA will do the repair work for no charge, but only on USA models.

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Nov 24, 2021 22:20:15   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
IDguy wrote:
There are several pieces of good news for some grey-market equipment. First, the grey market hardware is the same as the US labeled. Second cameras and lenses rarely fail. Third sometimes grey-market is less than half the price Nikon wants for US labeled products. So if one ever failed you can chuck it and replace.

I suspect if one did a financial risk analysis looking at the failure experience data grey market might win out.


very few fail because of manufacturing defects. usually caused by a user

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