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Oct 2, 2021 05:54:36   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
chikid68 wrote:
So you feel like I should be pretty much locked away just because I can't wear a mask due to it inhibiting my ability to wear my oxygen.


Truthfully if you are wearing a cannula I don't see why you can't breath in a mask.
And if you are wearing an oxygen mask covering it with a cloth mask should not be a problem.

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Oct 2, 2021 06:14:21   #
DIRTY HARRY Loc: Hartland, Michigan
 
keywest305 wrote:
Your body your choice.


you feel the same about abortions/

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Oct 2, 2021 06:53:53   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Contra: Trust in medical science to produce a vaccine both safe and effective for its purpose.

Reject "anecdotal references."

Discount posts here that omit links to vetted facts and information about the usefulness of the vaccine against the Chinese killer virus.

Do not tempt fate. Get vaccinated against the virus asap.
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
Nor will there be studies done in the US because of a refusal to try them on the part of government agencies. There are plenty of anecdotal references and studies in other countries that have shown varying degrees of effectiveness in treating Covid. People in the early stages of Covid have no option to try these drugs even though they have been used for years for other issues with no adverse side effects. They are actively prevented from access to these drugs. An attorney once told me never ask a question you don't want to know the answer to. Seems like a lot of that is going on here.
Nor will there be studies done in the US because o... (show quote)

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Oct 2, 2021 08:54:49   #
Stephan G
 
Personal stance:

I respect the right of the individual to commit suicide.

I hold that the individual has no right to commit murder or manslaughter.

It is as simple as that. No one can take away someone else's right to life.

Note: There are a few exceptions, with stringent proviso.

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Oct 2, 2021 09:14:08   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
This thread is politicized by design.
A mask (a good one, mind you) does offer measurable protection for the wearer. But the greater protection comes to those around the mask wearer. We wear the mask for the most part to protect others near us. I have your back, and I need to have yours.

There is a story about heaven, I don't recall the details, but the plot was that you cannot feed yourself but you can feed others next to you. And no one goes hungry in heaven.

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Oct 2, 2021 09:25:35   #
AGO
 
keywest305 wrote:
Yes they do and thats their choice. Again you have no right telling someone what to do with their body as adults as long as they are not hurting anyone. You can tell them the risk factors and offer help but then choice is theirs. IMO...I have friends weithvacvine and friends without. I love them all the same. Most have already got the virus and had a little cold for a few days and believe they have they antibodies which is stronger than the vaccine. I dont judge any of their choices. Divide and conquer is the agenda. Less than 1% of country has got the virus but we destroy the countries economy over it. If you want to stay in and hide from virus i welcome that and if you want to socialize I dont judge that either. You want wear a mask your choice or maskless im fine with that also. Just ask one question, if the vaccine works and you have it why are you still scared. Just as many people with vaccine if not more are catching the virus...hmm...remember just my thoughts. Am I right I dont know but soon the facts wont be hidden by gov't and we may all see we were fooled.
Yes they do and thats their choice. Again you have... (show quote)


But those who aren't vaccinated and who don't wear masks are not only hurting people, they are killing people. They are responsible for us being in the situation we are in. They are very selfish people who only care about themselves.

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Oct 2, 2021 09:30:50   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
srt101fan wrote:
Not quite sure what you're trying to say with your mention of Mk V gas masks and OBAs.
I can't see the relevancy of OBAs - used by the Navy in firefighting - in a discussion of Covid face masks.

The Navy's Mk V masks and its replacement were designed to protect the wearer against a variety of threat agents including those that affect the eyes.

With Covid, you only have one filtration requirement, and you only have to cover the mouth and nose. The N95 masks are adequate for that. But I'll grant you that most cloth masks are not very effective.
Not quite sure what you're trying to say with your... (show quote)


I was referring to the sealing around the face the the masks provided, and BTW viruses can infect by getting into the eyes, less common but possible, though it would probably be in the nose also at that point

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Oct 2, 2021 09:39:48   #
Stephan G
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
This thread is politicized by design.
A mask (a good one, mind you) does offer measurable protection for the wearer. But the greater protection comes to those around the mask wearer. We wear the mask for the most part to protect others near us. I have your back, and I need to have yours.

There is a story about heaven, I don't recall the details, but the plot was that you cannot feed yourself but you can feed others next to you. And no one goes hungry in heaven.


On a tour through Heaven and Hell, the visitors noted that everyone sat at tables filled with food. In both locations, the hands were chained to prevent the reach to the food in front of the occupants. Of course, the query became what was different between the two locations. The reply is that those in heaven were willing to feed each other. The chains did not limit the reach across to the sides.

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Oct 2, 2021 09:51:11   #
srt101fan
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
I was referring to the sealing around the face the the masks provided, and BTW viruses can infect by getting into the eyes, less common but possible, though it would probably be in the nose also at that point


You're absolutely right in highlighting the importance of mask seals. A critical design consideration for military - or any - protective mask. I can't remember the sizes of the Mk V, but I believe the follow-on Navy mask, the. MCU-2/P, came in 4 sizes to achieve a good fit.

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Oct 2, 2021 09:53:41   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto.
AGO wrote:
But those who aren't vaccinated and who don't wear masks are not only hurting people, they are killing people. They are responsible for us being in the situation we are in. They are very selfish people who only care about themselves.

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Oct 2, 2021 11:07:39   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I'm sure there are rules covering such exemptions, and you won't get the final word here. Your doctor would be the first place to check.

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Oct 2, 2021 12:49:28   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Regarding posts above about the choice of getting a Covid-19 Vaccine shot, the current data showing that 90% of the new hospitalized Covid cases are unvaccinated individuals, I continue to be amazed and baffled that anyone would not get vaccinated.

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Oct 2, 2021 13:17:53   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
JFCoupe wrote:
Regarding posts above about the choice of getting a Covid-19 Vaccine shot, the current data showing that 90% of the new hospitalized Covid cases are unvaccinated individuals, I continue to be amazed and baffled that anyone would not get vaccinated.

We buy insurance in case we die. Why not get vaccinated to help us live?

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Oct 2, 2021 14:52:00   #
Smudgey Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
 
Your body your choice? ------------- Not by putting others at risk by you spreading what you might have. It's not about you, it's about consideration for others. My son in-law didn't wear a mask, then infected my son who didn't wear a mask. My son in-law is dead, my son survived and now wears a mask. LESSON LEARNED. We are fighting two pandemics, Covid and Stupidity, it'snot about your rights, it's about survival for all. Just what does it take to learn this people?

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Oct 2, 2021 15:01:47   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
Smudgey wrote:
Your body your choice? ------------- Not by putting others at risk by you spreading what you might have. It's not about you, it's about consideration for others. My son in-law didn't wear a mask, then infected my son who didn't wear a mask. My son in-law is dead, my son survived and now wears a mask. LESSON LEARNED. We are fighting two pandemics, Covid and Stupidity, it'snot about your rights, it's about survival for all. Just what does it take to learn this people?

Perfectly said!

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