Mask mandate
Sep 30, 2021 12:14:04 #
David Martin
Loc: Cary, NC
Kraken wrote:
And it has already started that if you can't show proof that you have been vaccinated you can't enter restaurants or go to some sports events and businesses won't hire you if you are not vaccinated to name a few.
How very unscientific of us.
What should be required is proof of immunity.
Proof of vaccination is not a proxy for immunity.¹
And lack of vaccination in a Covid survivor does not mean lack of immunity.²
So perhaps, instead of a vaccine mandate, there should be a mandate for proof of immunity (adequate antibody levels).
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¹ Immunity against Covid drops to as low as just 16% in the elderly after 8 months, according to data from Israel.
² Most - but not all- Covid survivors have immunity which is more effective than vaccine, again according to data from Israel; unfortunately up to 20% of Covid survivors do not develop significant immunity.
Sep 30, 2021 12:32:18 #
JimG1 wrote:
I too have COPD and am on Oxygen. I don't like wearing the mask but I do when it's required. I'm on a nasal cannula and it doesn't interfere with my Oxygen.
You are fortunate then.
In my case even with the flow at 6 liters my maximum saturation is in the low 80s.
Any restriction to my breathing can and has triggered extreme hypoxia and loss of consciousness.
Last year in fact the hypoxia got bad enough to require me to be placed on a ventilator for a week just to get it stable.
Sep 30, 2021 12:37:35 #
David Martin wrote:
You should not be locked away. But for your protection, with severe lung disease, you should be wearing N95 mask over your oxygen source.
Not physically possible as an N95 will restrict my breathing to the point where I pass out.
My physician is the one that has said for me not to attempt to wear masks unless your medical degree is more extensive than his.
I think I will listen to him and not just the common sayings.
I have had covid and I have been fully vaccinated since then in fact I am going to get a booster next week.
Sep 30, 2021 12:42:20 #
David Martin
Loc: Cary, NC
chikid68 wrote:
Not physically possible as an N95 will restrict my breathing to the point where I pass out.
My physician is the one that has said for me not to attempt to wear masks unless your medical degree is more extensive than his.
I think I will listen to him and not just the common sayings.
I have had covid and I have been fully vaccinated since then in fact I am going to get a booster next week.
My physician is the one that has said for me not to attempt to wear masks unless your medical degree is more extensive than his.
I think I will listen to him and not just the common sayings.
I have had covid and I have been fully vaccinated since then in fact I am going to get a booster next week.
Sorry to hear that.
Given your situation of not having whatever protection a mask provides, I would be very hesitant to venture out among other people.
Wish you the best.
Sep 30, 2021 13:18:51 #
When the Lone Ranger takes someone to dinner and a movie. . . .now that's a masked man date.
Sep 30, 2021 19:36:26 #
TomHackett wrote:
When the Lone Ranger takes someone to dinner and a movie. . . .now that's a masked man date.
Good one same thing with Batman
Sep 30, 2021 19:42:34 #
Subjectivity takes a back seat to public health and public safety in the national interest. The vaccine hold-outs fail to see this distinction. I venture to say that all the hold-outs received various vaccines as children as a condition of attending school. They may also receive the annual flu shot.
Note that the Chinese killer virus cares not a fig for the individual who asserts a personal right to refuse the vaccine against this virus. It will infect and kill that individual just the same as it kills others.
Note that the Chinese killer virus cares not a fig for the individual who asserts a personal right to refuse the vaccine against this virus. It will infect and kill that individual just the same as it kills others.
keywest305 wrote:
Yes they do and thats their choice. Again you have... (show quote)
Oct 1, 2021 05:45:18 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
keywest305 wrote:
.................... Just as many people with vaccine if not more are catching the virus...hmm...remember just my thoughts. Am I right I dont know but soon the facts wont be hidden by gov't and we may all see we were fooled.
Now remember these are just my thoughts –
You cannot alter the thoughts of a ‘believer’.
Most people only read things that already support their views.
Somebody who believes in freedom of choice for themselves have usually just demonstrated that they don’t give a shit for anybody else.
The last things I read (several times from different sources) said that the current catchers of covid were something like 8 to 1 unvaccinated to vaccinated (see second point above).
I personally would be very pissed off if I couldn’t get into hospital after a car accident because they were full to overflowing because of unvaccinated covid sufferers.
I do believe some governments will try for coverups (China comes to mind but there are others) but I do not believe that they are all doing it.
Once again just my thoughts …
Oct 1, 2021 06:26:16 #
keywest305 wrote:
Yes they do and thats their choice. Again you have... (show quote)
That's the whole point, "hurting someone" not wearing a mask could be hurting others...what part don't non vaccers and mask wearers understand about that. It has nothing to do with you, The point of wearing a Mask/ mandates are to protect others from what you may have. Sure masks may prevent you from inhaling dust, pollutants etc, It's also to prevent you from spreading what you may have and not know it and possibly spreading to others what may be ailing you. To bad huh? Hell of an attitude. Vaccinating may prevent you from becoming a hospital patient taking up a bed that could be better used by someone that needs it. "Divide and conquer is the agenda" and your doing your part at just that. Gotta love it, NOT!.
Oct 1, 2021 06:26:33 #
brian43053
Loc: Buffalo, NY
True - your body - your choice. I wonder how someone would feel if they refused the vaccine, got the bug, was strong enuf to fight it off but in turn passed it on to a loved one in their family and that loved one died. Don’t say it can’t happen. It did happen to a good friend of mine. While you do have a choice, you also have a responsibility to your family, loved ones and the general public. End of rant
Oct 1, 2021 06:36:50 #
brian43053
Loc: Buffalo, NY
keywest305 wrote:
Your body your choice.
It is your body and your choice but do you believe that you have a responsibility to your family and loved ones? Friends and neighbors? A friend of mine “chose” not to get the shot, got Covid and survived, but in turn he passed it on to his father who didn’t make it. How you think he feels? Don’t say it can’t happen. It can and did. Just get the jab
Oct 1, 2021 07:04:50 #
keywest305
Loc: Baltimore Md.
We are all vaxed in this family. I still treat people who choose not too with respect. Geesh dont you all have some cameras to talk about. This sounds like twitter which I deleted because of the hate people put out there for each other.
Oct 1, 2021 07:24:37 #
If you think a glorified piece of t-shirt will stop a .03 micron virus then you aren't following science, your just a sheep in the herd.
Oct 1, 2021 07:31:34 #
picturesofdogs wrote:
If you think a glorified piece of t-shirt will stop a .03 micron virus then you aren't following science, your just a sheep in the herd.
Oct 1, 2021 07:46:44 #
apacs1
Loc: Lansdale, PA
The disease is known as COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2(severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2). Only a bigot would call it "Chinese killer virus".
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