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Sep 26, 2021 22:14:10   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
RiJoRi wrote:
"Photography is fun again."
That's what's important 👌

"I guess it's a sign of senility - but who cares."
Nah - it's a sign of maturity - you know what you like, and don't really care what the kiddies "think".
(And, we can have ice-cream for breakfast if we want! 😋)

--Rich


Yeah!

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Sep 26, 2021 22:41:54   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
JD750 wrote:
Except it’s not film. Oops.

Why does it matter? Because it’s a different recording medium. Film records light differently from
digital. Film has what is termed a “soft shoulder” exposure characteristic. It doesn’t blow out highlights instantly like digital. And you never heard of Moire patterns with film because of the random distribution of the crystal grains on film.

I’m not saying it’s better, but I am saying it’s different.

And yes it’s digitized on the back end for printing but just like with audio recording, the front end makes a big difference in the end result.

And one more thing. Are you under the impression that film cameras don’t have auto modes? Just like with digital M mode is a choice with an SLR.
Except it’s not film. Oops. br br Why does it ma... (show quote)


The OP said what he didn't like about digital is that the camera does all the work. It seems to me that film cameras can also do all the work if you want them to, so of course I knew film camera have auto modes. That was my point.

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Sep 26, 2021 23:08:04   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
The OP said what he didn't like about digital is that the camera does all the work. It seems to me that film cameras can also do all the work if you want them to, so of course I knew film camera have auto modes. That was my point.


Ah. Ok. Got it. Thank you for clarifying.

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Sep 26, 2021 23:11:05   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
The OP said what he didn't like about digital is that the camera does all the work. It seems to me that film cameras can also do all the work if you want them to, so of course I knew film camera have auto modes. That was my point.


I do find it interesting that OP said that because in my experience my digital camera does not do all the work. My phone camera does all the work, but not my interchangeable lens camera. Maybe I have the wrong camera?

But for whatever reason OP has rediscovered something fun and that’s what mattters.

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Sep 27, 2021 05:45:26   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
Gee thats an awful lot of Canon digital cameras - did you leave any for anyone else??

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Sep 27, 2021 05:48:11   #
BebuLamar
 
obeone wrote:
I've owned just about every Canon digital camera ever made, but just never found any real pleasure in using them. It's not that they weren't great cameras. It was with each one I found less satisfaction in photography.
It was no longer me creating the image, but the camera doing all the work.
I've gone back to film. The not having instant gratification of knowing if I got the shot and having to wait till I processed the film and made a print has brought back the fun I had when I first started in photography sixty years ago with a Kodak Brown and Kodak Tri-chem packs processed in an old coal bin and printed in a print frame has returned, but now I have a dark room and enlarger that I've brought out of storage.
Photography is fun again. I guess it's a sign of senility - but who cares.
I've owned just about every Canon digital camera e... (show quote)


I wish you didn't buy into digital so that film is still alive and well.

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Sep 27, 2021 06:41:06   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Yes Obeone, "It was no longer me creating the image, but the camera doing all the work."
The magic of brain fingertips on-camera adjustments and the meter exposure needle in the viewfinder were a fine quartet making photo music.

My first hate of modern cameras I was lusting for and obtained the famed 1985 Minlota i7000. I lost a shot I can see in my mind, fighting the camera that refused to do what I told it without multi-menu-layer adjustments. The sun at the top edge of a waterfall going down, a root wad in the water, and me laying in that cold mountain water to get the right aim and I got nothing the moment disappeared. I went back to my manual setting 35mm camera.. with all the adjustments by me, quickly suing my in-brain computer.

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Sep 27, 2021 06:47:44   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Those of us who have been involved with film know how gratifying it is to hold the negatives in our hands and examine them carefully for a good idea on exposure and showing the details. This involves the use of a magnifier.
Indeed the experience of seeing a print come alive in the darkroom is something that brings lots of fun and joy to the person working in the darkroom. We feel connected to the photographic process.

A camera that "does everything" is not photography, photographing starts with us manipulating the camera to do what we want and see the world the way we feel it. Digital is very convenient and using a mirrorless is even more convenient since those cameras have more technologies than dSLR bodies.
We learn more photography using digital but the actual feeling of making a photograph is more vivid using film. As Steve McCurry put it when he said that with film we have "something that we can hold in our hands" and that something is missing with digital.

I have discussed this in the past and it comes to mind once again, there is something special about a print from a negative, more revealing if it is from a b&w negative. In spite of the millions of tonalities that can be represented in a digital file the tonalities of a good, properly exposed b&w negative are very hard to beat. I will never forget the images I obtained using my favorite Agfa fiber base paper. No matter what, I have been unable to simulate with digital the beauty I saw in those prints. Look at Ansel Adams work, there is no digital print that can come close.

Senility? I am wishing to be as senile as you are...but I no longer have a darkroom.

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Sep 27, 2021 06:52:32   #
ELNikkor
 
There are some good film cameras from the '90's which have AF and AE modes, they even look like our digital cameras. I still prefer shooting with my FM2, even more so since its (very basic) light meter broke.

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Sep 27, 2021 06:59:56   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
obeone wrote:
I've owned just about every Canon digital camera ever made, but just never found any real pleasure in using them. It's not that they weren't great cameras. It was with each one I found less satisfaction in photography.
It was no longer me creating the image, but the camera doing all the work.
I've gone back to film. The not having instant gratification of knowing if I got the shot and having to wait till I processed the film and made a print has brought back the fun I had when I first started in photography sixty years ago with a Kodak Brown and Kodak Tri-chem packs processed in an old coal bin and printed in a print frame has returned, but now I have a dark room and enlarger that I've brought out of storage.
Photography is fun again. I guess it's a sign of senility - but who cares.
I've owned just about every Canon digital camera e... (show quote)



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Sep 27, 2021 07:31:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I never left film. I just added digital to it. I worked out how exposing digital differs from film. So, now, I enjoy both. Yeah, I paid for a lot of features on the digitals that I never use but so be it. I definitely enjoy the time and pace of shooting film, especially large format.
--Bob

obeone wrote:
I've owned just about every Canon digital camera ever made, but just never found any real pleasure in using them. It's not that they weren't great cameras. It was with each one I found less satisfaction in photography.
It was no longer me creating the image, but the camera doing all the work.
I've gone back to film. The not having instant gratification of knowing if I got the shot and having to wait till I processed the film and made a print has brought back the fun I had when I first started in photography sixty years ago with a Kodak Brown and Kodak Tri-chem packs processed in an old coal bin and printed in a print frame has returned, but now I have a dark room and enlarger that I've brought out of storage.
Photography is fun again. I guess it's a sign of senility - but who cares.
I've owned just about every Canon digital camera e... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2021 07:35:26   #
obeone
 
I agree - senile, but having fun.

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Sep 27, 2021 07:37:56   #
obeone
 
I still carry a Canon Ti7 but film has its place. I just got burned out on digital. When you shoot for fun you should do what you like.

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Sep 27, 2021 07:43:31   #
obeone
 
One of the things about film is - if stored properly - is that I can go back to negatives that I shot forty years ago, scan them and have a fresh print. I was looking at some of the slides I shot back in the day and I'm still amazed at the color and feeling of depth.
I can't find digital files I shot three years ago, due to computer failures lost CDs and just plain old miss filed.

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Sep 27, 2021 08:03:20   #
expilot37 Loc: Oak Ridge, TN
 
I agree, would still be using my Rollicord, Speedgrafic 4X5, and 2.25X3.25 Press cameras if I could find the roll and cut film. I enjoyed processing my own and printing it ( Dodging and burning prints) and got better results than digital.

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