bob44044 Loc: Ohio

How white liberals really view black v**ers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGmKHrWKMQ

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

I think some of those white liberals hang out here in the attic.
--Bob

Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

At last.....someone with the good sense to actually ask a person of color how they feel about v**er ID. The result was the exact opposite of what hear from every liberal I talk with including those on UHH.

Thank you for your post.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Yep, on the far-right side of the attic.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

So you only look at black people in New York. No answer from the millions in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana. Typical select repuke.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

So you are saying the B****s in those states you mention are too dumb to know where the DMV is, don't know how to use their smart phones, and don't have sense enough to have an ID. You are then making the contention that the Black race is inherently inferior at heart.

And don't deflect away from the racial component of your remark with a snide comment because you made your r****t bed, now lie in it.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

What I am saying is that you purposely picked an area of the country with good cell phone coverage and good internet. A part of the country where it is not dozens of miles to the dmv much less have t***sportation. What I really saying is that you are the r****t, just afraid to admit it.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Funny then that rural w****s without good cell phone coverage, good internet, and in a part of the country where it is dozens of miles to the dmv aren't complaining about v**er ID laws being r****t or elitist or classist. Why is it just rural B****s? Are they inferior to Rural w****s?

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

There are hundreds of areas that do not have rural w****s, there are hundreds of areas where there are rural w****s complaining about lack of good internet and phone service. Examples: Lineville, Iowa or Quartzite, Arizona. Two of hundreds with complaints of bad or no internet and phone coverage. Peddle your r****m somewhere else, it gets old quick.

Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

I live 23 miles away from the nearest DMV, my neighbor who is a person of color also lives 23 miles away from the nearest DMV. Why is it more difficult for him to get a photo ID than it is for me? Not only do you insult the entire black race by assuming they are inadequate to accomplish the daily tasks of life but you insult my intelligence.

I have never known you to classify a person's abilities according to the color of his eyes, or shoe size or g****r or zip code? Why do you classify a person's abilities according to his skin color? Sounds a bit r****t to me.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Congratulations you can and have the ability to drive 23 miles, not everyone does. You are making this a race issue, there a several white people who also have problems with getting the adequate ID to v**e. Why is there an ID issue with v****g? Here in Pennsylvania, there was only one case of invalid V****g, a trump supporter v**ed for his dead mother.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Texas Denies V**er ID to Former Speaker Jim Wright
BY BRAD FRIEDMAN NOVEMBER 4, 2013 6:12 PM

Former U.S. House Speaker Jim Wright (D) was denied a Photo ID for v****g purposes in Texas over the weekend by the state's Department of Public Safety (DPS).

The 90-year old Wright, who is lucky enough to have an assistant to drive him to and from the DPS office, says that while he believes he'll be able to get an ID in time to v**e in this Tuesday's e******n, he's concerned the state's "unduly stringent requirements on v**ers" will reduce turnout.

According to the Star-Telegram, Wright's driver's license expired in 2010 and -- because he no longer drives -- he didn't bother to renew it. That expired license, he learned Saturday, is not good enough to obtain a Photo ID to v**e under the law TX Republicans passed in 2011. That law will be in effect, for the first time, on Tuesday. The state statute had previously been nixed just last year by the U.S. Dept. of Justiceand by a 3-judge federal court panel after being found discriminatory, in violation of the V****g Rights Act (VRA), as based on statistics supplied by the state itself.

Thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court gutting a key provision of the VRA over the summer, however, Texas announced the law would finally be enforced for the upcoming e******n.

Wright is hardly the only well known figure to be stung so far by the Lone Star State Republicans' purposely disenfranchising law. And the hoops that many v**ers -- even ones like Wright, who says he's v**ed in every single e******n since 1944 -- must now jump through in order to have a chance at their v**e even being counted at all, is remarkable...

Last month in Corpus Christi, for example, 117th District Court Judge Sandra Watts was forced to sign an affidavit when trying to v**e early, after the name on her driver's license didn't match the one she was registered under. Her driver's license included her maiden name as her middle name, as once required by Texas law, but her v***r r**********n didn't. "What I have used for v***r r**********n and for identification for the last 52 years was not sufficient yesterday when I went to v**e,"she explained to local media. The name on her license had been the same for 52 years, and she's v**ed in every e******n for the last 49. "This is the first time I've ever had a problem v****g," she said.

Texas' 2014 Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis ran into a similar problem recently when she tried to v**e, as did the Republican gubernatorial candidate, Attorney General Greg Abbott, who has been defending the state's Photo ID law against several law suits, including one by the U.S. Department of Justice (which he should likely lose, given what the courts have already determined about the state's discriminatory law.)

But at least those three were allowed to cast their v**e, even if they had to take extra time to sign an affidavit (a potential very serious problem in a large turnout e******n, where lines are likely to get exponentially longer thanks to the new law.)

For those without a state-issued Photo ID deemed proper under the new law, things will be much worse.

Former U.S. House Speaker Wright's assistant, Norma Ritchson, told the Star-Telegram that she's concerned the law will make it much harder for elderly v**ers to v**e at all.

"I've been thinking about the people who are in retirement homes," Ritchson told the paper. "I've read that this is the lowest early v**er turnout in a long time and I wonder if this [ID requirement] is the cause. We've tried so hard to make v****g easy, and now the Texas Legislature has made it harder by making you have a photo ID."

Wright, who served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 34 years until resigning in 1989, told the paper, "From my youth I have tried to expand the e******ns...I pushed to abolish the poll tax. I was the first to come out for lowering the v****g age to 18."

But now, he's fighting to cast his own v**e at all in Texas. The details the Star-Telegram supplies for the hoops that Texans without the proper state-issued Photo IDs must jump through now is astounding.

Remember, Wright had a TX drivers license, but if a license has been expired more than two months under the new law, it can no longer be used for v****g purposes.

If one can manage to get to a DPS office -- some Texans live as far as 250 miles from an office, and 81 of 254 counties in the state don't even have one -- here's what a legal v**er will have to do acquire the supposedly "free" state-issued E******n Identification Certificate (EIC), according to the paper...

They must have proof of citizenship, such as a passport or certified copy of a birth certificate. If a person doesn't have a certified copy of a birth certificate, he or she can go to the...County clerk's office and get a certified copy for $3 if it is for the purpose of getting an EIC. Along with the birth certificate, people need to show two other pieces of identification -- such as a driver license expired less than two years, a v***r r**********n card, school records, military records or a Social Security -- card to get the EIC.

Update: Please note that the Texas DPS charges $22 for birth certificates online, and does not notify purchasers of any discount when certificates are needed only for v**er ID verification purposes. Passports cost more than $100.

So, even if you can afford to get to the DPS office (these are folks without a valid state driver's license, after all), and even if you can afford the time and money to purchase a certified copy of your birth certificate, you'll still have to come up with two additional pieces of documentation to prove you are you.

Remember, these are often v**ers, such as former U.S. House Speaker Jim Wright, who have been v****g in the same place, without problems -- until now -- for decades.

Remember also that in 1966, in Harper v. Virginia Board of E******ns, the U.S. Supreme Court found that even a poll tax of just $1.50 is in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Writing for the 6 to 3 majority, Justice William O. Douglas observed in that case:

[A] state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment [of the U.S. Constitution] whenever it makes the affluence of the v**er or payment of any fee an e*******l standard. ... We say the same whether the citizen, otherwise qualified to v**e, has $1.50 in his pocket or nothing at all, pays the fee or fails to pay it. The principle that denies the State the right to dilute a citizen's v**e on account of his economic status or other such factors, by analogy, bars a system which excludes those unable to pay a fee to v**e or who fail to pay.

Without the state-issued Photo ID that TX Republicans now require for v****g there, one may still cast a provisional b****t. For that b****t to be counted, however, an otherwise legal v**er -- even one who showed ID when registering, as is already required in all 50 states under the Help America V**e Act (HAVA) of 2002 -- will have just six days to round-up and/or pay for the needed documents to attain an EIC and figure out how to get that information to the county e******ns office in order to validate their b****t in hopes that it will then be properly counted.

Based on data supplied by Texas [PDF] to the federal government last year, as many as 800,000 registered v**ers in Texas do not have the type of ID now required to v**e in the state. The U.S. Dept. of Justice found last year that those rates are disproportionately higher for minority v**ers.

Yet, in 2012, a non-partisan news consortium compiled every known e******n f***d case in all 50 states going back to the year 2000. Their comprehensive database identifies just 3 cases of possible v**er impersonation fraud -- the only type of v***r f***d that could possibly be deterred by polling place Photo ID restrictions -- out of hundreds of millions of v**es cast in the Lone Star state during the same period.

As of mid-October, according to the Dallas Morning News, just 41 "free" EIC cards had been issued by the state.

Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.

You said: Why is there an ID issue with v****g?
1. for the same reason you need ID to register for food stamps and welfare
2. for the same reason you need ID to get a drivers license
3. for the same reason you need ID to get a beautician license.
4. for the same reason you need ID to get an "easy pass"
5. for the same reason you need ID to cash a check at Walmarts
6. for the same reason you need ID to register for pre school and kindergarten
7. for the same reason you need ID to join the military
8. for the same reason you need ID to open a bank account
9. for the same reason you need ID to get a passport
10. for the same reason you need ID to create a living will
11. for the same reason you need ID to create a living trust
12. for the same reason you need ID to get a bank loan
13. for the same reason you need ID to get on an airplane
14. for the same reason you need ID to get a death certificate
15. for the same reason you need ID to get a marriage license
16. for the same reason you need ID to become a security officer
17. for the same reason you need ID to get health insurance
18. for the same reason you need ID to get a CDL
19. for the same reason you need ID to go to flight school
20. for the same reason you need ID to purchase certain medications
21. for the same reason you need ID to get out patient care at a hospital
22. for the same reason you need ID to donate blood
23. for the same reason you need ID to purchase a gun or ammunition
24. for the same reason you need ID to register for SS benefits
25. for the same reason you need ID to make use of a pawn shop
26. for the same reason you need ID to conduct any form of business with the court system
27. for the same reason you need ID to receive unemployment benefits
28. for the same reason you need ID to visit any school or campus
29. for the same reason you need ID to adopt a child
29. for the same reason you need ID to check in with a probation officer
30. for the same reason you need ID to obtain auto insurance
31. for the same reason you need ID at a traffic stop.
32. for the same reason you need ID to pick up a package at a post office
33. for the same reason you need ID FOR ALL UNION V****G
34. for the same reason you need ID to obtain citizenship

EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN RECEIVES THEIR FIRST IDENTIFICATION AT BIRTH ALONG WITH THEIR LIFELONG SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE RETIRED AT DEATH WHEN YOUR DEATH CERTIFICATE IS SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.

Almost everything you do in life requires some form of photo ID. Can you give me a concrete reason why v****g should be the singular exception? And that invalid v**er ID in Pennsylvania was one that we know of. There is no way to account for any other because we both know ID IS NOT REQUIRED TO V**E IN PENNSYLVANIA! In fact, it is against regulations for a poll worker to ask for any type of ID in Pennsylvania.

As for not everyone being able to drive to the DMV, below are listed accepted methods of ID.Confirmation issued by the county V***r R**********n Office
Non-photo ID issued by the commonwealth
Non-photo ID issued by the U.S. government
Firearm permit
Current utility bill
Current bank statement
Current paycheck
Government check
ID issued by the U.S. government
U.S. passport
U.S. armed forces ID
Student ID
Employee ID

Now give me one valid reason why v**er ID is "too difficult" for some people to get. Name me one single living, breathing American citizen that does not have some form of ID. One, just one. I'm waiting- but remember, I said American citizen.


By the way, The US is one of 16 countries out of 195 that does not have national identity cards.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Because we do not have to. Where in the constitution does it say an ID is necessary?

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

When did they start issuing SS cards at birth?