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Aug 12, 2021 11:02:45   #
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Red Rock wrote:
Unless you're selling your photography to make a living. The only person you have to please is yourself!

Wherever did you get such odd notions ?

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Aug 12, 2021 11:42:37   #
GerryER Loc: Virginia USA
 
traderjohn wrote:
"Art is a breeding ground for arrogance (and a surprising amount of ignorance)"
Art is for artists. People who create work done by their own hand, not with the use of plastic, glass, and various software programs created by someone else genius.



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Aug 12, 2021 11:47:09   #
GerryER Loc: Virginia USA
 
delder wrote:
Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder!
Good/Great Photography is BOTH an ART and a SCIENCE!


When photography becomes "art" it has gone from the real to the surreal!!

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Aug 12, 2021 14:10:38   #
Genessi Loc: SoCal
 
Love your photos.

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Aug 12, 2021 14:19:48   #
REStoffer
 
A professional photographer might have his opinion but, how maney in this world are real professionals. His is 1 out of many million people that might look at those pictures and wish they had taken them the way you did.

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Aug 12, 2021 16:00:06   #
brianajo Loc: Youngstown, Oh
 
Photolady2014 wrote:
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day class with a very well known photographer who has won many, many awards, photos in the Smithsonian and is a judge for contests like Natures Best Photography. I learned sooo much about what makes a great photo.

Half way through the 5 days I was feeling quite overwhelmed and almost in tears because to get the photo that he would consider a photo seems near impossible. I totally understand photos before and just after sunrise and sunset are the best, but is it awful that I still want to take photos mid day? On several of my trips I have still gotten photos I really like, even though they do not have the special light and there are shadows etc. I scoured my photos and submitted them for the class and so far I do not have one photo that is not a "non-photo" due to shadow or lack of a hook or a background that is not totally creamy, or a host of other bad things.

I will post some of his comments to what I thought was going to be an ok photo.

The last one was reviewed verbally, the shadows! Bridge of the nose by eye, and the light patch of fur below the right eye as you look at the photo and curve shadow back to the nose is a big distraction. He could tell I was off by 2 degrees and that caused the bad shadow. The lighter fur to the left of the nose stops the eye from traveling from the lower left to the eye. You are supposed to have something soft in the lower left that makes your eye travel from lower left to the "hook" eye. In this case it does not work due to light fur interrupts the flow to the eye and then the shadows on the right. Then, the white fur on the lips could have been lightened to make it better if the other issues had not condemned it to be a "non-photo". Oh and the green line going through the background is bad.

Who knew you were not supposed to have sky in a bird photo, or that with something like a coyote all 4 legs must have separation and no crossover and that the farthest away front leg should be going forward. That the background must be very creamy with no light and dark areas. Shadows are the worst! Like crap, I was off by 2 or 4 degrees with the shadow. Must have a hook, no lines and of course good light, no messy sticks. Example an owl in a tree is bad if the leaves are all around it.

Anyway, I feel like a bad person/photographer for still liking some of my photos that are not perfect and still wanting to just have fun taking a photo and if I see a mom and baby moose at noon in a messy field of grass with a shadow, I'm still going to take the photo!

Again, I learned a LOT and the pro is a very nice guy and very talented. I will try and do what he says, but may still take what I know will be a "non-photo" am I bad?

Comments welcome, I have had lots of criticism lately, I can handle it! Well I might cry....
Morning all! So I just got through taking a 5 day... (show quote)


I love your Photos they are really Great!
Sometimes it's only..
What "You" Enjoy/Like/Create
!

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Aug 12, 2021 16:13:48   #
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GerryER wrote:
When photography becomes "art" it has gone from the real to the surreal!!


Every photograph ever made is surreal.
Security camera footage, porn, school portraits, passports, mug shots, biffies, forensics, documentation, camera club tulips and butterflies ... every photo is inescapably surreal. No way to avoid it. There’s no “going from real to surreal”. Thaz what makes photography so very fascinating and even addictive.

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Aug 12, 2021 16:43:26   #
GerryER Loc: Virginia USA
 
User ID wrote:
Every photograph ever made is surreal.
Security camera footage, porn, school portraits, passports, mug shots, biffies, forensics, documentation, camera club tulips and butterflies ... every photo is inescapably surreal. No way to avoid it. There’s no “going from real to surreal”. Thaz what makes photography so very fascinating and even addictive.


Sorry, can't agree. A photograph should "capture" a moment in time as close as possible to the actual scene; realism. Once you start playing with effects, whether in camera or through post processing, you have entered surrealism. Nothing wrong with that, just not "real."

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Aug 12, 2021 17:09:37   #
srt101fan
 
GerryER wrote:
When photography becomes "art" it has gone from the real to the surreal!!


Realism lies in the eye of the realizer....😞

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Aug 12, 2021 17:51:49   #
GerryER Loc: Virginia USA
 
srt101fan wrote:
Realism lies in the eye of the realizer....😞


Oh please; He who shall, so shall he who!

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Aug 12, 2021 18:43:44   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
Well, I agree w/the folks above me. This guy is arrogant! How dare he say your pics are NOT Photos? They're wonderful even if in need of tweaking. Most of us take shots that need a bit of work but hey. that's half the fun. Keep working at your photography.

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Aug 12, 2021 20:01:27   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
GerryER wrote:
Sorry, can't agree. A photograph should "capture" a moment in time as close as possible to the actual scene; realism. Once you start playing with effects, whether in camera or through post processing, you have entered surrealism. Nothing wrong with that, just not "real."

Wow, you've just ruled out all b/w photography as being "real".

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Aug 12, 2021 20:37:22   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
You paid for his opinion and he gave it. In the end though, it's one guy's opinion. You respect his opinion or you wouldn't have paid for it. I imagine he's applying the type of critique his photo editors apply to his work. It's a tough world out there and if you want to work for National Geographic or any other major buyer of photographic art you have to live up to their standards.

If you just want to shoot some snapshots to enjoy and share with your friends that's a whole different issue. The images you posted are very good. Are they good enough for the cover of a major nature magazine? Better ask your instructor. Haha.

Along sort of a similar line of thought. I was playing golf with a couple of young kids a few weeks ago. One was the scratch golfer. The other had been playing two years or so and thought he was pretty good but he was inconsistent and the longer the day went on the worst it got. Eventually he was cursing under his breath and throwing golf clubs. I was in a snarky mood so I pulled him aside and whispered to him that all he needed to do was "lower your standards." Not surprisingly, he didn't take my advice well. In the same spirit, I'd advise you, and who am I to give you advice? Well, nobody. Just a guy on the internet that happened to read your plea. Anyway, my advice is, if you want to enjoy your photography more I'd suggest you lower your standards. That is, unless your goal is to sell your art to magazines or other publishers of photography. If that's what you want to do, then listen to the expert and up your game. One thing I do know about these guys that do it for a living; they are willing to spend days or even weeks to get the perfect shot. Time is something the average amatuer doesn't have a lot of so that makes it almost impossible to do what this guy suggests.

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Aug 12, 2021 22:46:58   #
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GerryER wrote:
Sorry, can't agree. A photograph should "capture" a moment in time as close as possible to the actual scene; realism. Once you start playing with effects, whether in camera or through post processing, you have entered surrealism. Nothing wrong with that, just not "real."

Many of the genres I listed are never edited (mug shots, documentation, etc) but it’s all nevertheless surreal, even in it crude ordinariness.

Editing is not what makes photo surreal. All photos are surreal even without any PP, little frozen miniatures, silent gems, reality disconnected from time, substance, context, scale, etc etc. It’s like The Twilight Zone. Super accurate high fidelity rendering just enhances the surrealism.

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Aug 13, 2021 02:33:16   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
OK, quick answer to your question, No! Now if you charged an arm and a leg to spend 5 days telling people that they are not good enough, THAT would make you a bad photographer. Just keep going out and keep on doing what you're doing, it looks to me that you're already on the right path. And for what it's worth, I think your shots look great, keep practicing and have fun!

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