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Aug 6, 2021 11:53:45   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
FrumCA wrote:
The WP is promoting nonsense. The climate has gone through cycles for eons and will (is) continue to do so. While we may be contributing to the change slightly, blaming all of this on humans is folly.


So let's all continue on our merry ways. Burn coal, burn gasoline, fly instead of taking the high speed train, don't worry about the methane coming out of capped wells and fracking, eat lots of meat rather than vegetables and grains and beans, consume, consume, consume. Just don't live on the coasts; don't settle where the water table is disappearing; don't build your house close to a forest that will burn; make your house hurricane and tornado proof.

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Aug 6, 2021 11:59:05   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
soba1 wrote:
Death is a part of life Frank I knew my statement would pull someone’s chain.
The physical body ceases to exist but our spirit is forever.
God just might be upset and tired of the wickedness of this world.
Look around you and see all of the suffering. That’s caused by man not
God. U know like hunger theft murder of the innocent a disregard for human life.
U condone the deaths of millions of innocent unborn babies.
U support a party that supports child m********n how sick is that.
All the crap I mentioned going on in this world really.
Death is a part of life Frank I knew my statement ... (show quote)


What child m********n is it that I support?
As to god? I was told he was all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful. Obviously a line of bulls**t that I didn't believe.
If he knows of all the evil and he has the power to stop it and he loves us all, why doesn't he/she do something? I suspect there is no god because a loving, knowing, powerful deity would do something besides have his minions ask for money all the time.
Oh, and that's another thing, why does he always need money, especially from poor people who believe this malarkey?

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Aug 6, 2021 12:05:15   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Frank T wrote:
What child m********n is it that I support?
As to god? I was told he was all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful. Obviously a line of bulls**t that I didn't believe.
If he knows of all the evil and he has the power to stop it and he loves us all, why doesn't he/she do something? I suspect there is no god because a loving, knowing, powerful deity would do something besides have his minions ask for money all the time.
Oh, and that's another thing, why does he always need money, especially from poor people who believe this malarkey?
What child m********n is it that I support? br As... (show quote)


Dont u support a party that encourages s*x c****e for young children. If thats the case u must be ok with it. If not then why do stand with them.
Evil in the world there is a thing called free will.
Throw in the god of this world that most people choose to serve.
If someone loved you because u made them would seem rather empty right

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Aug 6, 2021 12:38:03   #
lenben Loc: Seattle
 
If the Gulf stream subsides or disappears, much of Europe will have a Siberian climate. The melting of Greenland ice is accelerating this. Don't buy any property in Northern Europe.

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Aug 6, 2021 13:00:29   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
lenben wrote:
If the Gulf stream subsides or disappears, much of Europe will have a Siberian climate. The melting of Greenland ice is accelerating this. Don't buy any property in Northern Europe.


Would not the subsiding of the gulf stream help restore Greenland's ice?

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Aug 6, 2021 13:00:57   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
berchman wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/25/atlantic-ocean-currents-weakening-amoc-gulf-stream/

ALL that is happening is that the giant complex system (the atmosphere and oceans) is out of balance. We humans have altered the balance from our massive dumping of carbon products into the atmosphere and ocean. This has caused significant warming of the oceans.

This warming has caused a disruption of the ocean conveyor system by the massive melting of ice. The US Navy documented this over a decade ago - because this caused significant problems for underwater operations.

This slowing of ocean churn will cause both sides of the Atlantic to have altered w*****r p*****ns in both summer and winter. Rather - it IS causing it right now.

This is what happens when human actions alter the planet (and yet - we have altered the planet in several aspects).

The end result is that the planet will become much less habitable for humans. Remember that we are in the middle of the 6th major extinction event - the only one mainly caused by humans. And we are continuing to drive the planet towards being less habitable for humans.

Remember that 'goldilocks zone' that is talked about? This planet is approaching an edge band for it - and when (not if) it passes outside that band, we will have altered our planet so much that it is no longer sustainable for human life. Rather - the amount of human live that currently exists...

And what historically happens when humans are placed in situations that threaten their local survival? They either migrate or go to war. And both China and India are rapidly running out of potable water. China has had 3 rivers run dry, and the glaciers in the Himalayas (where both countries get most of their water) have shrunk to 30% of the size just 2 decades ago.

Right now - some experts say that survival of humans is less than 50%. So we will most likely join this 6th major extinction event that we helped cause.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment... (show quote)

There is some t***hs but mostly nonsense in this piece. I suggest you read the book UNSETTLED by Noonis. He is a climate scientist who served in the Obama administration. In addition there is a very big difference between pollution and "c*****e c****e". The US has done a better job at cleaning up that mess than most of the other countries. We must stop fouling our own nest. And with regard to various species near extinstions we should be emberresed. our actions here are a discrace

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Aug 6, 2021 13:13:06   #
FrumCA
 
berchman wrote:
So let's all continue on our merry ways. Burn coal, burn gasoline, fly instead of taking the high speed train, don't worry about the methane coming out of capped wells and fracking, eat lots of meat rather than vegetables and grains and beans, consume, consume, consume. Just don't live on the coasts; don't settle where the water table is disappearing; don't build your house close to a forest that will burn; make your house hurricane and tornado proof.

Mostly illogical and useless arguments. Stopping burning coal and gasoline is not going to happen. High speed trains are non-existent in the U.S. I don't know about methane coming out of capped wells and fracking. Fix the leaks maybe?? Change your diet if you want to. I have. The last two items are a personal choice. If you think that will help the planet slow down the natural course of c*****e c****e then by all means don't build near a forest or coastline. And be sure to tell those folks who have houses there to sell them and move.

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Aug 6, 2021 13:20:47   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
berchman wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/25/atlantic-ocean-currents-weakening-amoc-gulf-stream/

ALL that is happening is that the giant complex system (the atmosphere and oceans) is out of balance. We humans have altered the balance from our massive dumping of carbon products into the atmosphere and ocean. This has caused significant warming of the oceans.

This warming has caused a disruption of the ocean conveyor system by the massive melting of ice. The US Navy documented this over a decade ago - because this caused significant problems for underwater operations.

This slowing of ocean churn will cause both sides of the Atlantic to have altered w*****r p*****ns in both summer and winter. Rather - it IS causing it right now.

This is what happens when human actions alter the planet (and yet - we have altered the planet in several aspects).

The end result is that the planet will become much less habitable for humans. Remember that we are in the middle of the 6th major extinction event - the only one mainly caused by humans. And we are continuing to drive the planet towards being less habitable for humans.

Remember that 'goldilocks zone' that is talked about? This planet is approaching an edge band for it - and when (not if) it passes outside that band, we will have altered our planet so much that it is no longer sustainable for human life. Rather - the amount of human live that currently exists...

And what historically happens when humans are placed in situations that threaten their local survival? They either migrate or go to war. And both China and India are rapidly running out of potable water. China has had 3 rivers run dry, and the glaciers in the Himalayas (where both countries get most of their water) have shrunk to 30% of the size just 2 decades ago.

Right now - some experts say that survival of humans is less than 50%. So we will most likely join this 6th major extinction event that we helped cause.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment... (show quote)


Why are you posting this here? You should be posting this on China's social media! They are the big carbon emitters followed by India.

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Aug 6, 2021 13:26:27   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Why are you posting this here? You should be posting this on China's social media! They are the big carbon emitters followed by India.


In the meantime we can sit back and relax?

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Aug 6, 2021 13:36:22   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
berchman wrote:
It's not brought up because it's completely obvious that the earth cannot sustain the number of people on it much less further growth, but no one is doing anything about it. Why? Because they say we need more young people to pay taxes to support old retired people. That a pretty unimaginative argument.


Actually the planet is virtually empty of population. Problem is theat most of that population is crowded into cities along the coast. THe heartlands of most large population countries are empty "fly over" country. If you were to do the math 100% of the worlds population would fit in Texas surounding states, and each one would be standing on more than 100 square feet

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Aug 6, 2021 13:44:07   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
btbg wrote:
There have been higher carbon levels in the past, so what makes you so sure that the current levels are all caused by man. And, even if it turns out that man did cause it, we are looking at something in the neighborhood of a 2 degree Celsius. Surely we can deal with that small difference.


"Surely we can deal with that small difference." HOW do you suggest we deal with it?
https://earth.org/data_visualization/a-brief-history-of-co2/ This period of time was LONG before Humanoids/Humans. 400 MYA there were active volcanoes. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mass-extinction-c*****e-c****e-volcano-eruption-study-ordovician-a9577271.html. G****L W*****G caused by volcanic eruptions. More recently by the Industrial Revolution.

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Aug 6, 2021 14:00:40   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
berchman wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/02/25/atlantic-ocean-currents-weakening-amoc-gulf-stream/

ALL that is happening is that the giant complex system (the atmosphere and oceans) is out of balance. We humans have altered the balance from our massive dumping of carbon products into the atmosphere and ocean. This has caused significant warming of the oceans.

This warming has caused a disruption of the ocean conveyor system by the massive melting of ice. The US Navy documented this over a decade ago - because this caused significant problems for underwater operations.

This slowing of ocean churn will cause both sides of the Atlantic to have altered w*****r p*****ns in both summer and winter. Rather - it IS causing it right now.

This is what happens when human actions alter the planet (and yet - we have altered the planet in several aspects).

The end result is that the planet will become much less habitable for humans. Remember that we are in the middle of the 6th major extinction event - the only one mainly caused by humans. And we are continuing to drive the planet towards being less habitable for humans.

Remember that 'goldilocks zone' that is talked about? This planet is approaching an edge band for it - and when (not if) it passes outside that band, we will have altered our planet so much that it is no longer sustainable for human life. Rather - the amount of human live that currently exists...

And what historically happens when humans are placed in situations that threaten their local survival? They either migrate or go to war. And both China and India are rapidly running out of potable water. China has had 3 rivers run dry, and the glaciers in the Himalayas (where both countries get most of their water) have shrunk to 30% of the size just 2 decades ago.

Right now - some experts say that survival of humans is less than 50%. So we will most likely join this 6th major extinction event that we helped cause.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment... (show quote)


Alright! vacation finnaly.

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Aug 6, 2021 14:01:39   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Racmanaz wrote:
The climate has always changed and changed at different rates and different frequencies.



They call it, SEASONS, Right?

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Aug 6, 2021 14:21:41   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
FRENCHY wrote:
They call it, SEASONS, Right?


Those who flunked High School Science WOULD CALL THEM SEASONS. LOL. LOL.

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Aug 6, 2021 14:38:25   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
boberic wrote:
Actually the planet is virtually empty of population. Problem is theat most of that population is crowded into cities along the coast. THe heartlands of most large population countries are empty "fly over" country. If you were to do the math 100% of the worlds population would fit in Texas surounding states, and each one would be standing on more than 100 square feet


I wasn't talking about space; I was talking about water availability for drinking and irrigation and about preservation of forests and wetlands and ocean health.

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