Ollieboy wrote:
I stopped flying before 9/11. The way they treat their customers would have put them out of business if in any other business. They lure you in with low fares then nickel and dime you to death with fees. If a new airline were to start today with customer service as their #1 priority they would dominate the industry. So charge a few bucks more for an enjoyable experience. Then and only then would I ever consider flying again. Why not mask mandate and non mask scheduled fights. That would solve a lot of problems.
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One thing I learned from watching crash investigations is that a low fare might not be the best choice. Cheap airlines that specialize in low fares have certain characteristics: old planes, minimal maintenance, less experienced/poorly trained pilots.
Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
Stephan G wrote:
There is talk about extending US Interstate 40 West to Hawaii and East to London, England. Although there have been whispers about underwater tunnels.
They weren't even able to complete I-40 through Memphis. Fat chance of it going anywhere else --LOL!
jerryc41 wrote:
The lack of service. "Provider" might be too generous a term.
You seem to object to success and successful people. Given the number of total air miles and passengers transported in a calendar year the problems experienced are minuscule.
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
traderjohn wrote:
You seem to object to success and successful people. Given the number of total air miles and passengers transported in a calendar year the problems experienced are minuscule.
They’re not minuscule when you’re the one crammed into that rock hard 20” wide seat, with your knees against the seat in front of you and a passenger crammed on each side. Honestly, I don’t know how you can design seats that uncomfortable. I’ve been strapped into fiberglass buckets in race cars that were more comfortable. If you need to fly, then you need to fly, but it’s a damn unpleasant experience that has nothing to do with success unless it’s required for your job.
jerryc41 wrote:
I decided years ago that I was through with flying. This was mainly because of price increases and service reductions by the airlines. As time goes on, passengers are another reason why I won't fly again. A passenger on Frontier Airlines was taped to his seat after he groped two flight attendants and punched a third. Imagine being stuck in an aluminum tube people someone like that
Yes, I know that 99.9% of all passengers behave. But I also know that as soon as I get on a checkout line, the line stops because of problems. Yesterday, I had to cross a local toll bridge, and the automatic EZPass lane was closed. The lane with the guy in the booth wasn't moving. Then it moved very, very slowly. When I got there, the guy was wiping down the whole interior and closing out. Shift change. When the new guy arrived - walking slower than I thought was possible - he had to go through a whole setup procedure. Really, it was comical. Without even looking at me, he detected the EZPass and opened the gate. So, if you think I would have an uneventful flight, guess again.
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Aug 3: "Woman duct-taped to seat after biting flight attendant, trying to open plane’s door, airline says."
July 11: "A woman was physically restrained to her chair with strips of duct tape aboard an American Airlines flight, the company says, after she allegedly tried to open the plane’s door while the craft was in flight and assaulted a crew member."
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Hello Jerry:
Well, I have a great solution to this dilemma. You could drive to most places. It does become a problem overseas though. My solution is learn to pilot a plane. It’s much easier to pilot a plane than to drive a car. It’s a lot of fun and such a Rush!
Latsok
Loc: Recently moved to Washington State.
TriX wrote:
They’re not minuscule when you’re the one crammed into that rock hard 20” wide seat, with your knees against the seat in front of you and a passenger crammed on each side. Honestly, I don’t know how you can design seats that uncomfortable. I’ve been strapped into fiberglass buckets in race cars that were more comfortable. If you need to fly, then you need to fly, but it’s a damn unpleasant experience that has nothing to do with success unless it’s required for your job.
Amen to that. Tripple amen.
TriX wrote:
They’re not minuscule when you’re the one crammed into that rock hard 20” wide seat, with your knees against the seat in front of you and a passenger crammed on each side. Honestly, I don’t know how you can design seats that uncomfortable. I’ve been strapped into fiberglass buckets in race cars that were more comfortable. If you need to fly, then you need to fly, but it’s a damn unpleasant experience that has nothing to do with success unless it’s required for your job.
When I was in high school my Dad worked for Eastern Airlines and was state vice-president of the Airline Workers union so my brother and I got to fly on his employee discount pass. We had to wait to board last and got whatever seats were left over. One flight on a Super Constellation - old, tired and about to be retired - there were only two seats left and one had a broken hinge so you couldn't lean back or it would flop into the seat behind it. So being the "Big Brother" I took that one and spent 2 1/2 hours more or less sitting upright or leaning on my knees while reading a book and finding out what the "old folks" meant when they said their back was killing them.
TriX wrote:
They’re not minuscule when you’re the one crammed into that rock hard 20” wide seat, with your knees against the seat in front of you and a passenger crammed on each side. Honestly, I don’t know how you can design seats that uncomfortable. I’ve been strapped into fiberglass buckets in race cars that were more comfortable. If you need to fly, then you need to fly, but it’s a damn unpleasant experience that has nothing to do with success unless it’s required for your job.
Pretty much the norm and not the exception with today's airlines. Except if you fly Business or First Class. Unless you must fly I wouldn't put myself through the abuse. I'll drive 1000 miles before I would ever get back on a plane.
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
robertjerl wrote:
When I was in high school my Dad worked for Eastern Airlines and was state vice-president of the Airline Workers union so my brother and I got to fly on his employee discount pass. We had to wait to board last and got whatever seats were left over. One flight on a Super Constellation - old, tired and about to be retired - there were only two seats left and one had a broken hinge so you couldn't lean back or it would flop into the seat behind it. So being the "Big Brother" I took that one and spent 2 1/2 hours more or less sitting upright or leaning on my knees while reading a book and finding out what the "old folks" meant when they said their back was killing them.
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I flew from SF to DC on a TWA Super Constellation around 1950 by myself (with my teddy bear) when I was about 4-5. They would let children fly alone if they were boarded and picked up on the other end by a relative and they had two stewardesses on the flight.
TriX
Loc: Raleigh, NC
Ollieboy wrote:
Pretty much the norm and not the exception with today's airlines. Except if you fly Business or First Class. Unless you must fly I wouldn't put myself through the abuse. I'll drive 1000 miles before I would ever get back on a plane.
Big difference flying first, but very few companies will pay the 2-3x cost. You really need to fly enough to always get upgraded to first, and that’s a lot of miles. I learned a few things in my career of traveling:
a) never check bags
b) avoid connecting flights - direct only.
c) avoid small 4 digit commuter flights
d) choose small airports if possible (Nashua NH instead of Logan, Melbourne instead of Orlando, Midway instead of OHare, Jacksonville, Charleston, etc.)
e) use major rental car companies - National Emerald Aisle is great
f) stay at Marriotts
g) if you have a credit card, a cellphone and a drivers license/passport, you can deal with anything else.
h) and always make a note where you parked your car at the airport when you leave 😳
Ollieboy wrote:
I stopped flying before 9/11. The way they treat their customers would have put them out of business if in any other business. They lure you in with low fares then nickel and dime you to death with fees. If a new airline were to start today with customer service as their #1 priority they would dominate the industry. So charge a few bucks more for an enjoyable experience. Then and only then would I ever consider flying again. Why not mask mandate and non mask scheduled fights. That would solve a lot of problems.
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Back in the 80's Braniff tried that. Filed bankruptcy and then came back as a "premium" service airline. I was lucky enough to fly with them a few times before they went out of business the second (and last) time. Great service, great amenities, very comfortable - but not enough to succeed long term.
Scruples wrote:
Hello Jerry:
Well, I have a great solution to this dilemma. You could drive to most places. It does become a problem overseas though. My solution is learn to pilot a plane. It’s much easier to pilot a plane than to drive a car. It’s a lot of fun and such a Rush!
You overlooked one thing; the cost and by the by driving is much less complicated than flying a plane
Scruples wrote:
Hello Jerry:
My solution is learn to pilot a plane.
And hope the maintenance guys did a good job.
jerryc41 wrote:
And hope the maintenance guys did a good job.
I beg to differ Jerryc41. When you are driving you have to worry about every oncoming driver. Have they gotten enough sleep? Have they been drinking? Using drugs? What's their mental state? How well is their vehicle maintained? Any hazardous cargo? What is their driving skill level? Distractions?
Air travel is much less stressful. Their are two pilots sitting up front. Both undergo periodic retraining and medical exams. True, you do have to think about aircraft maintenance, but the same thing is true. The mechanics are all required to have the necessary skills.
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