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Aug 7, 2021 09:02:21   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
I eventually got round to going out for some new stuff to post in this thread. I got this today. Part of the story is that it's quite close to Aberdeen city centre (but there's no way to convey that in the shot). Derelict buildings on the edge of town aren't as poignant as those close to town or city centres. There's something in us that wants the centre of our universes to be fully functional.

I could have gone for a more desaturated look to add to the look of deterioration but I'd used the WB and Tint sliders plus some split toning to give an overall green/blue colour cast and those colours don't go against the desired look the way that warmer colours would. I also left the lighting on the low side deliberately, and gave it generous amounts of sharpening.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:10:28   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
jburlinson wrote:
My experience with theories is that they are like Rorschach tests, often telling us more about ourselves than about anything in external reality.

That being said; my theory is that people have a certain fascination with the decay or deterioration of human-made objects, kind of like in the poem Ozymandias, where the long-gone ruler's great works have been obliterated into the desert sands. So it's not surprising that we might be inclined to help the process along. It's like when I was a kid doing target practice. I was much more interested in shooting up tin cans or old cars than in firing at a rock or something like that.

This impulse does not hold for God-made things, like the natural world or human beings. Witnessing the decay of such things is painful, and, if anything, calls for us to ameliorate the ravages.

That's just a theory though.
My experience with theories is that they are like ... (show quote)


As you say, it's a theory, and it does describe many of our impulses, to emphasize the decay of human-made objects, and try to revive decaying biological ones. On the other hand, the Japanese have a concept they call wabi-sabi. Originally used in a religious context, wabi denoted the loneliness of living in nature, apart from society, and sabi meant “chill,” “lean” or “withered”. Over time, Japan was influenced by the zen buddhism that was imported from China between the 8th and 12th centuries, and wabi-sabi came to be connected to the Buddha's declaration that all things - natural and human made - are imperfect, impermanent, and essentially interconnected, and that we do best when we learn to embrace this imperfection, impermanence, and the incompleteness we suffer when we don't embrace that interconnection. This developed into an aesthetic, which seeks to display the beauty that is to be found in imperfection and impermanence, and thus to help us learn to embrace it and connect to it, so that eventually we can embrace the imperfection and impermanence of our own lives, and to see the connections that constitute it, and to see beauty there. So they seek to overcome our discomfort with the withered objects of the world by seeing and embracing their beauty, and even emphasizing it in human made objects, and thus connecting to it. So, maybe we tend to emphasize the decay of human-made objects to enhance our connection to these things, while we are already drawn to the beauty of the natural world, and have to learn to embrace the decay to be found there. Another theory.

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Aug 7, 2021 21:24:25   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
minniev wrote:
I found this old car and truck graveyard in a village along the coast of Maine. Rusted old vehicles and decaying houses persuade me to process more harshly and more creatively than I would ever process a landscape. I have seen others do the same. Any theories about why that is so? Are you prone to these kinds of creative interventions with decaying things?


I don't know why old cars make us go to extremes in processing. I think cars that are already rust heaps just end up being "improved" by really grungy processing. Love the image, love the processing, really love the background and it fits the topic perfectly. Thanks for posting.
Erich

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Aug 7, 2021 21:29:19   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
fergmark wrote:
I live some twenty miles south of Bridgeport Ct. It has the highest population of all the cities in Connecticut, and it is a paradise for urban decay. A short journey up I95 whenever I feel an urge to photograph this sort of thing. While driving around, I spotted the shot tower of the old Remington Arms, and found my way over to it. It has an interesting history, and I am including a couple of links if you want to find out a little about that. When I pulled over to the curb, I had to decide if I even wanted to get out of my vehicle with an expensive camera. I was that impressed by my surroundings. I got over it, and have been back quite a few times thereafter. There are vast neighborhoods where I yearn to venture out and do some street photography, but I am way to wary. So,

#1. Is the shot tower. This one had a better sky than most I have taken.

https://www.hauntedrooms.com/connecticut/haunted-places/remington-arms-bridgeport

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/remington-shot-tower

#2. This cemetery is adjacent to the 73 acres that comprise of The Remington Arms property. The date of the deceased on the right hand side is 1881.

#3. Over on the good side of town.

#4. In the adjacent town of Stratford, is a small parking lot from which you can follow a path into the estuary of the sound. This is unfortunately also a somewhat scary area, based on a conversation I had with a local. I just liked the switchover amongst the weeds along the path.

#5. Also in Stratford is a large area of no longer used buildings. These really appeal to me for the simple colors and geometry. And of course that they have been abandoned.

#6. From another town to the north, Shelton, I have found many interesting sights including some very extensive graffiti art in the railroad tunnels. These buildings seemed worth stopping for.

#7. All I know as to location on this was somewhere in the Catskills. A friend was driving and he was more than happy to pull over when I saw something of interest. Walked around the back side of this structure along a country road. If anything I processed to enhance the surface textures.

#8. When in Vermont I am on the lookout for barns and such. This from a tiny town of Danby, which has all manner of good such subjects.

#9. The Salton Sea. I love this image. It seems to say it all for me. That is, regarding its demise. I include a link for those of you who are not familiar with it. https://www.california.com/what-happened-salton-sea/

#10. Lastly, Bethlehem Steel Company. Acres upon acres of interesting structures long abandoned. Shortly after this picture was taken I met a very nice man from Homeland Security. He said I wasn't supposed to be there.
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I really like all of these. The rails, the chimney and the buildings are my favorites; but they are all good. I'm glad you got out of your car.
Erich

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Aug 7, 2021 21:32:58   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
cbtsam wrote:
I made this image back in April. While the subjects are clearly less than pristine, my attraction here was and is to the way the stems and flowers move about in the frame, rather like an abstract painting; your view, of course, may vary. I thought of them as dancers, with flowers in their hair, reminiscent of the hippies from the 60s (the Scott McKensie song - "San Francisco (Be Sure To Wear Flowers In Your Hair)" - was 1967). I shot over fifty images for this one, and combined them in a focus stack with HeliconFocus, so it should reward pretty close examination.

I think it was the first one I used my soldering jig for - a plate of steel about 8.5 x 11 inches, with five flexible arms with magnetic feet and clips on the other end, so I can pose things like these flowers. Pretty cheap and relatively easy to work with.



With Flowers In Their Hair - Tulip # 10, 2021(Explored)-04-25-A1-C1-x21-18-32-03-(C,Smoothing2)-copy-1
by Sam Yaffe, on Flickr

If you click on this link, you can view the image in greater detail.
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You put a lot of work into these, and it really works. It fits our topic for the month; but I could see this as a topic in itself and putting together three four or more of these fine images would really improve any wall.
Erich

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Aug 7, 2021 21:37:35   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
R.G. wrote:
I eventually got round to going out for some new stuff to post in this thread. I got this today. Part of the story is that it's quite close to Aberdeen city centre (but there's no way to convey that in the shot). Derelict buildings on the edge of town aren't as poignant as those close to town or city centres. There's something in us that wants the centre of our universes to be fully functional.

I could have gone for a more desaturated look to add to the look of deterioration but I'd used the WB and Tint sliders plus some split toning to give an overall green/blue colour cast and those colours don't go against the desired look the way that warmer colours would. I also left the lighting on the low side deliberately, and gave it generous amounts of sharpening.
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I'm glad to see that you were inspired to go out and shoot these images. That is, of course, not a requirement for these topics; but it is nice to see people going out and shooting with a particular idea in mind. I think the signs and the gate in the foreground add a lot to your composition. It reminds us that these structures are now forbidden. That adds to the concept. Cool image.
Erich

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Aug 8, 2021 07:41:30   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
ebrunner wrote:
The Master in You is an evolution of the monthly Master's Critique. Here we will give you a "topic" each month with some themes to consider. Shoot some images with the topic in mind and then post them in this thread and tell us about them. Where did you shoot the image? What are your concerns and challenges with the image? How much, if any, consideration did you give to gear to get the image you wanted? You might also wish to address the themes that are mentioned along with the topic.

General guidelines: This is an open thread where you are encouraged to post your original works and discuss them. Please post only your own work. Do not post edits of another member's work unless you have asked that member for permission to edit. Remember that some people do not want their work edited by anyone. Please respect that. The topics will be active for one month at a time. You will have the entire month to ponder and work on the subject. Feel free to post at any time during the month. You can post more than one image. If you shoot more than one image on any given topic, you may make several submissions. That way we might be able to stimulate some conversations that act as inspiration or, at least, incentive for others to go out and try the topic themselves.

The original purpose of FYC was to be a "cafe" atmosphere where people gather to discuss topics pertaining to photography. It is hoped that this thread will encourage members to get out and shoot images that pertain to the topic and then enter into a discussion about your posts and the posts of others. This monthly topic is not about : "That is really nice" or "two thumbs up". While these are certainly legitimate responses, the aim of this topical thread is to throw a wider net. It is hoped that we will discuss what works and what does not work so well. If someone's work does not appeal to you, feel free to say so in a way that acknowledges that we all have different ideas about what appeals to us.

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Topic Of The Month , August 2021: "Less Than Pristine "

Theme 1 How do you approach this topic Mechanical decay, industrial, urban decay, or rural buildings falling apart? What do you look for?

Theme 2 Processing: When do you say "too much"? Do you visualize post processing, or let it come to you?


For some time now, I've wanted to shoot the SS United States. This is the fastest Ocean Liner to cross the Atlantic. Her last voyage was in 1969, and she is presently docked in Philadelphia while a conservancy group is trying to invent a future for this once proud ship. The dock area is closed to the public. So, I had to photograph her from the street on the far side of a chain link fence. I wanted the photo to remind the viewer of a bygone era in travel, so I tried to make it look like an old photograph. I should have shot in film; but I did not on this occasion. (Maybe in the future). I did use "film" presets in NIK. I also cloned out the lines that keep the ship from floating away from the dock.

I thought this might be a good example of: "Less Than Pristine". Of course we are interested in discussing this photo; but we also want to see your examples of "Less Than Pristine". From your archives or shot recently, the choice is yours. This topic will remain active for the month of August.

Moderators,
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This boat seems an oddity to me. It is docked at a marina that is pretty close to downtown Toms River (background). I can understand a marina going out of business and the facilities deteriorating; but that boat had to have been someone's pride and joy once. They don't come cheap, why would you just let it sit and decay? I did not got overboard (ugh!) on the processing because the boat really is that dingy looking.


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Aug 8, 2021 07:59:24   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
I wasn't expecting a luxury boat to put in an appearance in this thread. Perhaps it needs expensive engine repairs or an extensive overhaul. Luxury boats don't stay young forever.....

Predictably, the theme of this thread has produced subjects that evoke curiosity about the subjects' past. Perhaps you could have called it "Histories and Mysteries". Whenever we see the ravages of time there's usually some sort of story to go with it. Usually photos can only hint at those stories. But what photos can be good at is leaving us wondering.....

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Aug 8, 2021 08:55:05   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
R.G. wrote:
I eventually got round to going out for some new stuff to post in this thread. I got this today. Part of the story is that it's quite close to Aberdeen city centre (but there's no way to convey that in the shot). Derelict buildings on the edge of town aren't as poignant as those close to town or city centres. There's something in us that wants the centre of our universes to be fully functional.

I could have gone for a more desaturated look to add to the look of deterioration but I'd used the WB and Tint sliders plus some split toning to give an overall green/blue colour cast and those colours don't go against the desired look the way that warmer colours would. I also left the lighting on the low side deliberately, and gave it generous amounts of sharpening.
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I eventually got round to going out for some new s... (show quote)


Around here vines grow on brick and stone buildings. Relentlessly. Its a great look. Sometimes I go around photographing just that. Last year I cleared away vines from an old stone garage structure which, near the ground, were the size of my arms. They had gotten up into the wood roof structure and done a great deal of damage, not to mention destroying the upper layers of stone work, by growing through the mortar and just blowing things apart. They do grow from the ground, so I couldn't help but wonder what kind of plant has taken so well to the stone building on the right. They look like bushes sprouting all over. So tenacious. One of my favorite photos from Joshua Tree was this (Juniper ?) growing from this rock.


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Aug 8, 2021 09:14:17   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
R.G. wrote:
I wasn't expecting a luxury boat to put in an appearance in this thread. Perhaps it needs expensive engine repairs or an extensive overhaul. Luxury boats don't stay young forever.....

Predictably, the theme of this thread has produced subjects that evoke curiosity about the subjects' past. Perhaps you could have called it "Histories and Mysteries". Whenever we see the ravages of time there's usually some sort of story to go with it. Usually photos can only hint at those stories. But what photos can be good at is leaving us wondering.....
I wasn't expecting a luxury boat to put in an appe... (show quote)


Agreed. This photo is very much about: "What happened here?"
Erich

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Aug 8, 2021 09:16:39   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
fergmark wrote:
Around here vines grow on brick and stone buildings. Relentlessly. Its a great look. Sometimes I go around photographing just that. Last year I cleared away vines from an old stone garage structure which, near the ground, were the size of my arms. They had gotten up into the wood roof structure and done a great deal of damage, not to mention destroying the upper layers of stone work, by growing through the mortar and just blowing things apart. They do grow from the ground, so I couldn't help but wonder what kind of plant has taken so well to the stone building on the right. They look like bushes sprouting all over. So tenacious. One of my favorite photos from Joshua Tree was this (Juniper ?) growing from this rock.
Around here vines grow on brick and stone building... (show quote)


I can totally see why you like this so much. Really nice photo.
Erich

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Aug 8, 2021 09:21:21   #
fergmark Loc: norwalk connecticut
 
ebrunner wrote:
I can totally see why you like this so much. Really nice photo.
Erich


Funny thing is I nearly missed even seeing it. Something made me stop and turn around.

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Aug 8, 2021 09:57:29   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
fergmark wrote:
.....what kind of plant has taken so well to the stone building on the right. They look like bushes sprouting all over.....


I think they're the same kind of bush that you can see growing over the top of the wall (whatever that is). The rocks and the vine in your photo make a good combination.

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Aug 8, 2021 12:10:43   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
ebrunner wrote:
You put a lot of work into these, and it really works. It fits our topic for the month; but I could see this as a topic in itself and putting together three four or more of these fine images would really improve any wall.
Erich


Thanks so much Erich, for looking and for your very kind comment. Much appreciated. I look forward to your idea for a future topic. Somehow, I don't seem to be able to stop doing these things.

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Aug 8, 2021 14:29:13   #
ebrunner Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
cbtsam wrote:
Thanks so much Erich, for looking and for your very kind comment. Much appreciated. I look forward to your idea for a future topic. Somehow, I don't seem to be able to stop doing these things.


I'm sure that we are all waiting to see what you come up with in the future.
Erich

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