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Jul 20, 2021 16:25:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The camera has a lot of plastic if the temp is 1200 degrees all plastic would be liquid and gone.


Exactly! If a room experienced 1200° it would look like the remains of a bonfire - soot and ash.

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Jul 20, 2021 16:56:41   #
Alby144 Loc: Northern Nevada
 
1200 degrees may be a flash of heat heat...I do not know, I am not the expert, but it's what an expert told me. That same person told me he has no experience with photography equipment, but he does know the chemicals and acids in the smoke create havoc for electronics.

I only came with the question for those that may have experienced something similar.

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Jul 20, 2021 19:41:53   #
deanfl Loc: Georgia
 
I suggest talking to your insurance claims adjuster about how they will handle the damage to your camera equipment. Then you can decide on repairs vs. replacement. I just bought a used Nikon 18-140 from KEH for less than $200.

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Jul 21, 2021 08:19:22   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Najataagihe wrote:
Smoke and heat with cameras: no.


Smoke and heat with electronic circuit boards: Oh, my Heavens, do I ever!

(Telephone company switching computers (mainframes), peripherals, PCs, etc.)



Consider ALL your camera gear non-salvageable.

That includes cases, filters, flash, etc.


:(



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Jul 21, 2021 08:35:52   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Consider accepting the claim from your insurance company for "contents" & replacing the body & lenses. Think of this, would you want to be out on an important shoot....say your sons or daughters wedding and have the electronics tart out. Water damage from fire hoses is another thing I would consider, if the camera body &/or lens got wet, you might have mold issues starting.

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Jul 21, 2021 09:05:58   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Alby144 wrote:
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along with part of out home. The clean-up contractor tells us there are indications that the rooms that did not burn have indications of temperatures exceeding 1200°. The heat and smoke damage is insane. What did not burn has been damaged by heat and smoke. Basically they have declared most of what is in our home to be non-salvageable.

I have a Nikon D7200 with 18-140mm lens attached, which was on the tripod in my home office. I keep my lenses in a camera back pack, but it was unzipped and open. I e-mailed Nikon to find out what the likelihood of them being good after this fire would be and received a reply telling me what to do to send it to them for service. So, I am wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this type of issue? I

If my camera and lenses are non-salvageable then so be it and I'll have to replace them, but I'd like to know the likelihood of them being salvageable. Any help would be appreciated - if you have some real knowledge on the subject.
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along wi... (show quote)


Sorry about your loss.

My first job (in 1992) as an engineer was to salvage a big steam power plant which burned to the ground. A very successful job, because just 50 million $ and 3 years later, it was working like new.

Smoke, specially created by burning plastics (like carpets, wiring, etc.) creates chlorhydric acid (HCl) which corrodes metals e.g: electric and electronic components.

If smoke got into your gear, it is probably not salvageable... but it should not be thrown away before even trying.

These are the steps I'd recommewnd:

1) Take all batteries out, NOW

Corrosion is an electrical phenomenon, if there is HCl and moisture inside, electrical fields will significantly boost corrosion.

2) Send the gear to Nikon for a damage assessment and ask - if salvageable at all - for a budgetary proposal on the repairs.

I very doubt that Nikon will even try to repair the gear if there is evidence of smoke, because the should use a chemical process to neutralize the acid (NaOH + HCl -> NaCl + H2O) and then rinse everything in distilled water.

*BUT* at least you will know if smoke got in-

3) If (2) fails, use Nikon's statement on non repairability to cash you insurance

Hope it helps.

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Jul 21, 2021 09:07:18   #
DougS Loc: Central Arkansas
 
Sorry for your loss! I can identify with it. You will think of things for years, that you missed while doing the inventory for insurance. And almost nothing costs the same as when you bought it. And sooo many things have no direct replacement. I agree with GLSmith, consider accepting the insurance offer for contents.

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Jul 21, 2021 10:08:00   #
JBRIII
 
Alby144 wrote:
I have not tried using them, as we are in the beginnings of the clean-up process. I have been told the smoke and chemicals in the smoke create acid that continues to corrode electronics...they don't want to risk anything that is not low voltage and told us eventually they will be a fire hazard.

At this point I am inclined to allow everything to be considered non-salvageable. I was just wondering if anybody else here has had any experience with smoke and heat damage to their gear, due to fire.
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Any fire, I would suspect is not good, but if materials were heated to high temperatures without actually burning, they would be subject to decomposition, both with and without oxidation involved. The non-oxygen process is called pyrolysis and produces a wide range of nasty materials not good for anything or anyone. Plastics can release hydrochloric acid which corrodes stainless steel and lungs. Wood yields acetic acid, phenolics and many, many other compounds.
If this crap is in the camera, probably needs a complete tear down and cleaning even if nothing actually melted.
Never worked on cameras, but did do pyrolysis.

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Jul 21, 2021 11:04:31   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Alby144 wrote:
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along with part of out home. The clean-up contractor tells us there are indications that the rooms that did not burn have indications of temperatures exceeding 1200°. The heat and smoke damage is insane. What did not burn has been damaged by heat and smoke. Basically they have declared most of what is in our home to be non-salvageable.

I have a Nikon D7200 with 18-140mm lens attached, which was on the tripod in my home office. I keep my lenses in a camera back pack, but it was unzipped and open. I e-mailed Nikon to find out what the likelihood of them being good after this fire would be and received a reply telling me what to do to send it to them for service. So, I am wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this type of issue? I

If my camera and lenses are non-salvageable then so be it and I'll have to replace them, but I'd like to know the likelihood of them being salvageable. Any help would be appreciated - if you have some real knowledge on the subject.
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along wi... (show quote)


Nikon is your best bet to find out the condition. Sorry about your terrible tragedy.

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Jul 21, 2021 11:42:45   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Alby144 wrote:
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along with part of out home. The clean-up contractor tells us there are indications that the rooms that did not burn have indications of temperatures exceeding 1200°. The heat and smoke damage is insane. What did not burn has been damaged by heat and smoke. Basically they have declared most of what is in our home to be non-salvageable.

I have a Nikon D7200 with 18-140mm lens attached, which was on the tripod in my home office. I keep my lenses in a camera back pack, but it was unzipped and open. I e-mailed Nikon to find out what the likelihood of them being good after this fire would be and received a reply telling me what to do to send it to them for service. So, I am wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this type of issue? I

If my camera and lenses are non-salvageable then so be it and I'll have to replace them, but I'd like to know the likelihood of them being salvageable. Any help would be appreciated - if you have some real knowledge on the subject.
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along wi... (show quote)


That is horrible. Sorry to hear you had a fire.

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Jul 21, 2021 11:46:48   #
Alby144 Loc: Northern Nevada
 
This is the kind of heat they dealt with in this fire...the last photo is a screen shot from a local TV station.







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Jul 21, 2021 12:27:41   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
So sorry for your loss.

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Jul 21, 2021 13:25:02   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
Alby144 wrote:
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along with part of out home. The clean-up contractor tells us there are indications that the rooms that did not burn have indications of temperatures exceeding 1200°. The heat and smoke damage is insane. What did not burn has been damaged by heat and smoke. Basically they have declared most of what is in our home to be non-salvageable.

I have a Nikon D7200 with 18-140mm lens attached, which was on the tripod in my home office. I keep my lenses in a camera back pack, but it was unzipped and open. I e-mailed Nikon to find out what the likelihood of them being good after this fire would be and received a reply telling me what to do to send it to them for service. So, I am wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this type of issue? I

If my camera and lenses are non-salvageable then so be it and I'll have to replace them, but I'd like to know the likelihood of them being salvageable. Any help would be appreciated - if you have some real knowledge on the subject.
Our garage caught on fire and burned down along wi... (show quote)


Salvageable, why? If insurance will replace them then do it..you don’t know what’ll happen a few months out, file the insurance. Truly sorry for your loss.

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Jul 21, 2021 14:23:39   #
Alby144 Loc: Northern Nevada
 
Blaster34 wrote:
Salvageable, why? If insurance will replace them then do it..you don’t know what’ll happen a few months out, file the insurance. Truly sorry for your loss.


If they deem it non-salvageable, that's fine with me. I was interested in the possibility that it may be repairable, in the even it is not considered non-salvageable.

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Jul 21, 2021 14:51:05   #
Alby144 Loc: Northern Nevada
 
JBRIII wrote:
Any fire, I would suspect is not good, but if materials were heated to high temperatures without actually burning, they would be subject to decomposition, both with and without oxidation involved. The non-oxygen process is called pyrolysis and produces a wide range of nasty materials not good for anything or anyone. Plastics can release hydrochloric acid which corrodes stainless steel and lungs. Wood yields acetic acid, phenolics and many, many other compounds.
If this crap is in the camera, probably needs a complete tear down and cleaning even if nothing actually melted.
Never worked on cameras, but did do pyrolysis.
Any fire, I would suspect is not good, but if mate... (show quote)


This fits with what Belfor has told me from the start. Pretty much all electronics are a loss. It's too early in the game right now but 10-1 I'll be replacing all of my camera gear.

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