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Jul 20, 2021 15:13:37   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
Was shooting with my recently acquired R5. Took almost 800 images and maybe 8 were only half there. Have read about rolling shutter problem. Was using electronic shutter.


Is this bird wearing a Covid mask--and dark glasses?

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Jul 20, 2021 15:23:21   #
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amfoto1 wrote:
No, that does not appear to be rolling shutter.

The most typical rolling shutter effect is a distortion of moving objects.... or distortion of stationary objects if the photographer and camera are moving, such as riding on a train.

There also can be "banding" in some light sources that flicker on and off: fluorescent, LEDs, etc.

There can be situations where exposure is uneven, as in your photo. But it usually only occurs when the lighting conditions change dramatically during the exposure. For example, somewhere I saw a shot of lightning where half the image was exposed differently than the other. I don't see opportunity for that to occur in your image. The scene appears to be evenly illuminated. That effect might occur if you were using flash that wasn't properly synced. I'm not certain, but it appears you weren't using flash for that shot (with flash the closer subject would be illuminated more strongly than the more distant background).

Rolling shutter effects occur when using an electronic shutter because the data captured on the image sensor is read row by row from the top to the bottom. The data being captured at the bottom has been captured a nanosecond later than the data at the top.

A partial solution is to make the read out faster. That can be done various ways. So called "stacked" sensors are one method.

A more complete solution would be a "global" electronic shutter where all the data is read off the image sensor at the same time. Those exist, but are complex and quite pricey, making them impractical for use in consumer cameras. Eventually the tech will become available. Just don't hold your breath waiting for it.

More info about rolling shutter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

I really don't know what happened to your image. It would be very helpful if you would upload a larger version of the image and keep the EXIF data intact so we could look through it for clues.
No, that does not appear to be rolling shutter. b... (show quote)

There’s no user error involved.

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Jul 20, 2021 15:38:31   #
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Zooman 1 wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded. I have not had this problem with the R6. Might be operator error.

I never encountered a user error than can cause such a flaw (and I’ve encountered just about everything). No reason to beat yourself up on this one.

Not a user error settings-wise, but OTOH it would be the user’s responsibility for providing an adequate card, formatted in the camera, NOT in the PC.

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Having just paid $160 for a card for my (new) cheap camera, I won’t be feeling hugely sympathetic if someone buys a slow cheap memory card for their high performance camera.

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Jul 20, 2021 15:51:46   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
I never encountered a user error than can cause such a flaw (and I’ve encountered just about everything). So reason to beat yourself up on this one.

Not a user error settings-wise, but it would be the user’s responsibility to provide an adequate card, formatted in the camera, NOT in the PC.

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Having just paid $160 for a card for my (new) cheap camera, I’m not feeling sympathetic if someone puts a slow cheap card in a high performance camera.


And since I agree it's not a user error and none of us so far have figured out what it was. Perhaps the OP should call Canon? It could be some defective of the camera and the camera I believe should still be under warranty. The OP wouldn't want to wait until it expires to find out.

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Jul 20, 2021 16:04:05   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
And since I agree it's not a user error and none of us so far have figured out what it was. Perhaps the OP should call Canon? It could be some defective of the camera and the camera I believe should still be under warranty. The OP wouldn't want to wait until it expires to find out.

Call AND email the 8 images. OP said the camera is “recently acquired”. If barely under 30 days, time is verrrrry critical. Any retailer allows 30 days. Not sure if some go longer.

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Jul 20, 2021 16:16:03   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
Was shooting with my recently acquired R5. Took almost 800 images and maybe 8 were only half there. Have read about rolling shutter problem. Was using electronic shutter.


Try resaving it with another name. Worked for me once. . .

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Jul 20, 2021 16:20:53   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
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Jul 20, 2021 17:32:58   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Why did any of us try to answer the cryptic question ... I have often admonished [self] and others for not on page one demanding details... Clue, Zooman knows he shot 800 photos ... but can not count up to 10, saying perhaps 8. humm and this is not April 1. I was married to an accountant and she would know exactly large numbers, but then for the small numbers, she would reply "perhaps 1 or 2.... " I might say 12,250somthing.that is only 12,250-12,259 not a big error percent wise... but not knowing if something was 1 o2... humm

So we will never know about Zooman having used a dark Cokin filter which slid down and only covered half the photo.

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Jul 20, 2021 18:08:17   #
MrPhotog
 
dpullum wrote:
Why did any of us try to answer the cryptic question ...


It is the same joy as solving the jigsaw puzzle when some of the pieces are lost. Or, watching a TV mystery and solving the crime before the critical clues are revealed. 😎

Anyone who shoots 800 pics a day has gotta average 100 an hour, or be paid overtime ! That doesn’t give much more than half a minute to set up each shot, if they are unique situations. So, I’m guessing multiple shots of each subject, and probably at the fastest frame rate so that there won’t be much movement between frames. That could be useful for focus stacking.

Of course this is all speculation, but hey, the answers are worth all that is paid for them.

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Jul 20, 2021 18:50:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Zooman 1 wrote:
Was shooting with my recently acquired R5. Took almost 800 images and maybe 8 were only half there. Have read about rolling shutter problem. Was using electronic shutter.


No, that's not rolling shutter. Rolling shutter is a tendency of upright objects to lean, or tires to appear oval, when the camera moves relative to the subject during an exposure.

It happens because most sensors scan from top of frame to bottom, and it takes time to do that. The subject or camera moving during an exposure causes each "scan line" to be offset a bit from the last.

Sony is making some sensors that read out the whole image at once... So no (significant) rolling shutter effect.

The intro to the British detective series, *Scott and Bailey*, has a lot of really horrid examples of rolling shutter effect in the intro sequence. (Other than that, it's a good series, if you understand the thick Manchester accents or turn on subtitles!)

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Jul 20, 2021 18:59:09   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
No, that's not rolling shutter. Rolling shutter is a tendency of upright objects to lean, or tires to appear oval, when the camera moves relative to the subject during an exposure.

It happens because most sensors scan from top of frame to bottom, and it takes time to do that. The subject or camera moving during an exposure causes each "scan line" to be offset a bit from the last.

Sony is making some sensors that read out the whole image at once... So no (significant) rolling shutter effect.

The intro to the British detective series, *Scott and Bailey*, has a lot of really horrid examples of rolling shutter effect in the intro sequence. (Other than that, it's a good series, if you understand the thick Manchester accents or turn on subtitles!)
No, that's not rolling shutter. Rolling shutter is... (show quote)


So we know it's not rolling shutter. Not flash sync problem. I don't think it's data corruption either. So what is it?

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