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Jul 20, 2021 07:31:38   #
RGreenway Loc: Morristown, New Jersey
 
It may also be a little dependent on your personal vision. I used to always shoot Nikon from my first Nikon FM to digital D200, through D500. To me the Nikon body with Nikon glass did not render red as red, but more like red-orange and this drove me crazy when I was taking Ballroom Dance photos of women in red dresses! But this was probably due to my eyes being off a bit on red. When I started shooting with Sony, I was very happy with the reds (and all other colors as well).

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Jul 20, 2021 07:38:57   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
MrBob wrote:
When going through the archives late at night looking at a variety of images taken with a variety of digital cameras I was struck by the difference in basic looks… Different color science of diff. Brands and different resolutions with diff. Lenses are recipes for totally diff. looks… I sometimes tire of looking at the high resolution, contrasty, color in your face, of some digital. Some of my humble captures at 8 MP or less with diff. Lenses such as Zeiss etc… seem to give a more Natural look for lack of a better word. I am also an audio buff and I guess like audio and components, when you get that certain synergy of camera, lens, and subject matter everything comes into focus ( pardon the pun ). I guess thats why I am always broke supporting multiple wives with names like Canon, Olympus, Sony and Sigma… They all have diff. Kitchen skills. What do you all think ? Reflecting on what I was trying to say in my above rambling, do you think certain combos are better suited to certain types of subject matter or am I out in the weeds again ? Thanks for taking the time to read and reflect... Bob
When going through the archives late at night look... (show quote)


Love the color I used to get from older Minolta AF lenses. Also liked the color saturation I got from my Leica camera's. Yes, every camera manufacture has it's own unique look.
Don't forget the different look we old timers used to get with different color and slide films.
I believe some Fuji camera's can be programmed to give you different color looks, like Kodachrome, etc. I believe other camera manufactures have also picked up on this idea.

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Jul 20, 2021 07:47:11   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
billnikon wrote:
Love the color I used to get from older Minolta AF lenses. Also liked the color saturation I got from my Leica camera's. Yes, every camera manufacture has it's own unique look.
Don't forget the different look we old timers used to get with different color and slide films.
I believe some Fuji camera's can be programmed to give you different color looks, like Kodachrome, etc. I believe other camera manufactures have also picked up on this idea.


Ah, it is a wonderment we captured anything sharp with ASA 25 and 64 film speeds and NO stabilization... Maybe we were a little more careful instead of just point and click.

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Jul 20, 2021 07:58:58   #
GerryER Loc: Virginia USA
 
In the "old days" film was what gave the major character differences; Fuji color was different than Kodak, etc. If you take some of the older Minolta lenses where the coatings have aged, you get a warmer tint to your photos. Some people buy the older lenses for that reason. Post processing in the darkroom didn't have the latitude that today's software has, so the differences were very apparent.

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Jul 20, 2021 11:58:14   #
Blues Dude
 
MrBob wrote:
Ah, it is a wonderment we captured anything sharp with ASA 25 and 64 film speeds and NO stabilization... Maybe we were a little more careful instead of just point and click.


Or maybe we were younger and our hands didn't shake as much.

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Jul 20, 2021 13:39:48   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
As one who lived on the other end of your mountain (the TN end) I understand. I find that I can get different results from the same camera depending on conditions (light, fog, movement, etc.) that I try to correct or enhance in post processing.

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Jul 20, 2021 13:53:23   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
P.S. It was back in the 40's but I remember visiting and even vacationing in Mentone.

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Jul 20, 2021 13:59:52   #
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RGreenway wrote:
It may also be a little dependent on your personal vision. I used to always shoot Nikon from my first Nikon FM to digital D200, through D500. To me the Nikon body with Nikon glass did not render red as red, but more like red-orange and this drove me crazy when I was taking Ballroom Dance photos of women in red dresses! But this was probably due to my eyes being off a bit on red. When I started shooting with Sony, I was very happy with the reds (and all other colors as well).

Firmly believe I would have very nearly identical red dresses from both brands, just as I have no color differences from the five brands I’m currently using.

Not worth asking how you process nor describing how I process, but I expect there are significant differences.

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Jul 20, 2021 14:37:29   #
NRB
 
I shot film for 30 + years and when I went digital, I looked for a camera that had the same color characteristics of the film that I shot; but more important to me, and why I resisted digital for so long, was that I did not want prints that looked "digital". I bought the Nikon DF because because of its enhanced D4 chip and am pleased with the results I get. Since then, I picked up a Leica Q for the same effect. Chip technology and the software developed, does matter.
NRB

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Jul 20, 2021 14:46:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MrBob wrote:
When going through the archives late at night looking at a variety of images taken with a variety of digital cameras I was struck by the difference in basic looks… Different color science of diff. Brands and different resolutions with diff. Lenses are recipes for totally diff. looks… I sometimes tire of looking at the high resolution, contrasty, color in your face, of some digital. Some of my humble captures at 8 MP or less with diff. Lenses such as Zeiss etc… seem to give a more Natural look for lack of a better word. I am also an audio buff and I guess like audio and components, when you get that certain synergy of camera, lens, and subject matter everything comes into focus ( pardon the pun ). I guess thats why I am always broke supporting multiple wives with names like Canon, Olympus, Sony and Sigma… They all have diff. Kitchen skills. What do you all think ? Reflecting on what I was trying to say in my above rambling, do you think certain combos are better suited to certain types of subject matter or am I out in the weeds again ? Thanks for taking the time to read and reflect... Bob
When going through the archives late at night look... (show quote)


Paul's answer is accurate. Edit raw files from three different cameras and you can make the results very close to each other. The JPEG engines in cameras use brand-specific color science. But raw files are much less variable, save for Fujifilm's X-Trans sensors and the old Sigma Foveon.

At any rate, many of us here on UHH get distracted by technology and forget that photography is about telling stories with images. If you have no story to tell, the best technology in the world is useless. Good stories generally do not require technical perfection. They don't necessarily require good color. It's nice when you have high quality in the mix, but a good message will stand on its own. It WILL speak more directly, more transparently, if the technical quality is sufficient that the viewer does not think about it.

What a performer does in an audio recording studio is more important than what the recording engineer does. But what the engineer does is to enable the sound to be heard with the artists' perspectives in mind... or not. A good mix will come across well on both a smartphone speaker and a $5000 stereo. Not the same way, of course, but if the mix is good, you'll hear it. A bad mix sucks everywhere. With a good mix, you enjoy the sound.

Photography is much the same. It's often not what tools you have that determine effective outcomes... It's how you use them!

Take this, for example. The look isn't from a digital camera. It's from Tri-X film and a Nikon 50mm f/1.4 lens, and pretty standard darkroom development. I recorded it in 1971, in my high school newspaper office. It was a sidebar illustration for a yearbook page discussing student protests of the Vietnam war. The other photos were of protesters. Today, for those of us who lived then, it is a reminder of that era, the cause for peace, and the technologies of the day... rotary dial phones and typewriters! The message telegraphs across time, for me, anyway. My kid asked me when I digitized it, "What's that?" Oh, well... So much about photography is the context.

A Call for Peace 04/1971
A Call for Peace 04/1971...
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Jul 20, 2021 14:56:30   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Paul's answer is accurate. Edit raw files from three different cameras and you can make the results very close to each other. The JPEG engines in cameras use brand-specific color science. But raw files are much less variable, save for Fujifilm's X-Trans sensors and the old Sigma Foveon.

At any rate, many of us here on UHH get distracted by technology and forget that photography is about telling stories with images. If you have no story to tell, the best technology in the world is useless. Good stories generally do not require technical perfection. They don't necessarily require good color. It's nice when you have high quality in the mix, but a good message will stand on its own. It WILL speak more directly, more transparently, if the technical quality is sufficient that the viewer does not think about it.

What a performer does in an audio recording studio is more important than what the recording engineer does. But what the engineer does is to enable the sound to be heard with the artists' perspectives in mind... or not. A good mix will come across well on both a smartphone speaker and a $5000 stereo. Not the same way, of course, but if the mix is good, you'll hear it. A bad mix sucks everywhere. With a good mix, you enjoy the sound.

Photography is much the same. It's often not what tools you have that determine effective outcomes... It's how you use them!

Take this, for example. The look isn't from a digital camera. It's from Tri-X film and a Nikon 50mm f/1.4 lens, and pretty standard darkroom development. I recorded it in 1971, in my high school newspaper office. It was a sidebar illustration for a yearbook page discussing student protests of the Vietnam war. The other photos were of protesters. Today, for those of us who lived then, it is a reminder of that era, the cause for peace, and the technologies of the day... rotary dial phones and typewriters! The message telegraphs across time, for me, anyway. My kid asked me when I digitized it, "What's that?" Oh, well... So much about photography is the context.
Paul's answer is accurate. Edit raw files from thr... (show quote)


Takes me waaay back

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Jul 20, 2021 16:41:10   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
burkphoto wrote:
Paul's answer is accurate. Edit raw files from three different cameras and you can make the results very close to each other. The JPEG engines in cameras use brand-specific color science. But raw files are much less variable, save for Fujifilm's X-Trans sensors and the old Sigma Foveon.

At any rate, many of us here on UHH get distracted by technology and forget that photography is about telling stories with images. If you have no story to tell, the best technology in the world is useless. Good stories generally do not require technical perfection. They don't necessarily require good color. It's nice when you have high quality in the mix, but a good message will stand on its own. It WILL speak more directly, more transparently, if the technical quality is sufficient that the viewer does not think about it.

What a performer does in an audio recording studio is more important than what the recording engineer does. But what the engineer does is to enable the sound to be heard with the artists' perspectives in mind... or not. A good mix will come across well on both a smartphone speaker and a $5000 stereo. Not the same way, of course, but if the mix is good, you'll hear it. A bad mix sucks everywhere. With a good mix, you enjoy the sound.

Photography is much the same. It's often not what tools you have that determine effective outcomes... It's how you use them!

Take this, for example. The look isn't from a digital camera. It's from Tri-X film and a Nikon 50mm f/1.4 lens, and pretty standard darkroom development. I recorded it in 1971, in my high school newspaper office. It was a sidebar illustration for a yearbook page discussing student protests of the Vietnam war. The other photos were of protesters. Today, for those of us who lived then, it is a reminder of that era, the cause for peace, and the technologies of the day... rotary dial phones and typewriters! The message telegraphs across time, for me, anyway. My kid asked me when I digitized it, "What's that?" Oh, well... So much about photography is the context.
Paul's answer is accurate. Edit raw files from thr... (show quote)


Thanks Burk for both the excellent image and insightful response. Your image captured a moment in time, not only about the Vietnam War, but where we were technologically at that time. The old rotary dial phone representing a time that was fast passing into memory and the more modern device (typewriter or whatever) not as clearly represented, but certainly there as harbinger of the future. Thanks.

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Jul 20, 2021 18:30:41   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Thanks Burk for both the excellent image and insightful response. Your image captured a moment in time, not only about the Vietnam War, but where we were technologically at that time. The old rotary dial phone representing a time that was fast passing into memory and the more modern device (typewriter or whatever) not as clearly represented, but certainly there as harbinger of the future. Thanks.


That's a manual typewriter from the 1960s. Our school was built in '65, so it would have been new around then.

What is so satisfying about digital imaging is that with raw files, an image can be tailored precisely to the look the photographer wants. It's like working from negatives, rather than somewhat slide-like JPEGs. That's why the differences among cameras don't really concern me. Does a camera system have the features I need to make the images I want to make, efficiently and intuitively? That's what matters to me. I'll either dial in the look with the JPEG menu, or tune the output from the raw file to the look I want. The choice depends on the circumstance.

The phone-and-typewriter image above is an example of that. I macro-copied my original negative to a raw file and processed it with Negative Lab Pro and Lightroom. I'm digitizing hundreds of rolls the same way. I am seeing things in my old slides and negatives I never saw back in the days.

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Jul 20, 2021 19:55:58   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I shoot only Canon lenses, both ancient FD and some of Canon's newest EF lenses. Canon prides their ability to maintain consistency across the entire product line. For the most part, my lenses differ almost exclusively on focal length and max aperture and the sharpness is indistinguishable, as are the colors.

That said, there are a few outliers. The old non IS 70-200 f/4L has a bit of a pastel look to the colors. The EF 24-70 f/2.8L II has an overall sharpness to most all lenses, and a color rendering that is more subtle than the 70-200, but still able to unique identify. The 135L also has a 'look' that I don't get from any of multiple L-lenses that cover 135mm. The FD 85 f/1.2L is as sharp (or sharper) than any of his EF cousins. You really have to shoot these lenses all the time and have a wealth of images spanning apertures to say (you think) you can point to tangible differences aka unique 'character'.
I shoot only Canon lenses, both ancient FD and som... (show quote)


True, my wife and I love the Canon FLM 100mm f4 over the 100mm f2.8 L for the looks of the photos. Intangible, but what we think.

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Jul 20, 2021 20:06:25   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Anyone who has shot the Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S DX will tell you this lens has a distinct look too. It's not BS simply because you've never used one of these unique lenses. But certainly, 'character' does get an oversell in general conversation and application.

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