Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Is skill no longer a priority? Canon R5 and Sony A9ll. (animal eye detection, 30fps,and a 95% keeper rate)
Page <<first <prev 15 of 15
Jul 23, 2021 14:25:54   #
User ID
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
As someone who actively shoots film in 2021, as well as old manual focus film lenses on digital cameras, my thoughts would include:

1) Consider a mirrorless body that allows for sharing all your current film lenses with now a practical 'digital back'.

2) If you have AF capable film lenses, consider the compatibility of these lenses with a target digital camera, whether mirrorless or DSLR. I say this with the idea of maintaining film shooting along with digital.

Personally, I gave up on manual focus film lenses and bodies about 5 years ago. I can't focus as well manually without digital aids and I was just wasting film as compared to what I can do with AF-capable lenses. Now, I seamlessly share my Canon EF lenses, with both AF and IS, with an EOS 1v for film and the corresponding EOS 5DIII for DSLR.

The old completely manual / non electronic Canon FD lenses I mount to a Sony a7II. Multiple tools in the mirrorless Electronic View Finder (EVF) let me focus these lens better than I ever could with the manual focus film bodies, better than even back in my 20s with fresher eyes.

Ideally, I'd have one EOS mirrorless platform for both AF and MF lenses as a digital platform. That consolidation is still a few years into the future, as the option didn't exist in the past when I made the decision to dump the MF film bodies for the Sony. Depending on your legacy film equipment, you may / may not have an option to add a digital body that leverages all the old equipment on the new.
As someone who actively shoots film in 2021, as we... (show quote)

Yup. Just digital “film backs”.
.


(Download)


(Download)


(Download)


(Download)


(Download)

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 14:39:13   #
excaliburgc Loc: Daytona Beach Florida
 
competing with all those pointing with phones I guess, when all our professional photographers are shooting in auto can they really call themselves professionals when a newbie can get the same results?

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 15:01:52   #
User ID
 
excaliburgc wrote:
competing with all those pointing with phones I guess, when all our professional photographers are shooting in auto can they really call themselves professionals when a newbie can get the same results?

A camera is a lot like a taxi cab.

Reply
 
 
Jul 23, 2021 15:08:46   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
excaliburgc wrote:
competing with all those pointing with phones I guess, when all our professional photographers are shooting in auto can they really call themselves professionals when a newbie can get the same results?


I don't know where you get the idea that all professionals shoot in auto, but if you think all that is necessary to produce professional quality photos is to get the exposure right, you don't know much about photography.

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 15:34:03   #
Chris13 Loc: St. Pete, FL
 
I just shot 2 rolls of film last week. I heard people even still do oil paintings in this digital age!

Using the latest greatest gear with the most over the top specs is in itself a hobby goal for some - and not just in photography. Just remember a skilled automobile driver (who actually enjoys the experience of driving) doesn't need ABS, power steering or automatic transmission.

Your needs should determine the technology used - are you a pro sports photographer or maybe selling fine art prints? - it's a balance between creative hands on decisions and running autopilot to achieve the goal at hand.

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 16:15:58   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Besperus wrote:
Well, take it back a few steps. Critical thinking might argue that digital photography is for those who lack skill. You have technology which allows you to shoot at any ISO, shutter speed or aperture or any variable. Focus, heck we’ve had auto focus in point and shoot film cameras and gotten spoiled. Photography as an art or a skill went away with the rangefinder and the view camera. Thank George Eastman for making it a pastime. How many birthdays, graduations and family vacations have been shot since roll film came into existence? The push has always been in this society to make everything easy, simple and thoughtless. Grab a burger, beer and watch a movie on a massive screen at home sitting there in your underware.
Well, take it back a few steps. Critical thinking ... (show quote)


Besperus, check the site on Brownie camera pictures--many show high artistic worth, especially considering the limitations. Michelangelo had very simple tools compared to later artists like van Gogh (who had new paints, colors, new kinds of brushes). But even the simple means were capable of high art.

William Eggleston was a world famous photographic artist who immortalized what is called "Snapshot Style" art. How was he worth big bucks, while Aunt Martha's slides of Grand Canyon are not? Beats me. Both were Kodachromes (hers were slides, his were Cibachrome prints) and very sharp.

https://www.brownie-camera.com/gallery.htm

But I never saw the greatness of Jackson Pollock, so my taste is not very refined. If you look at Alfred Steiglitz' photos, you can tell he was a genius even with caveman cameras:

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=alfred+stieglitz+photographs&fr=yhs-trp-001&type=Y193_F163_204687_102320&hspart=trp&hsimp=yhs-001&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Ferickimphotography.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2Fhb_58.577.11.jpg%3Fresize%3D1946%252C1500#id=15&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi1.wp.com%2Ferickimphotography.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2Fhb_58.577.11.jpg%3Fresize%3D1946%252C1500&action=click

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 18:47:39   #
sheldon minsky Loc: iron mountain michigan
 
I would still be happy with my 4x5 speed graphic and my Leica 3f with the red dial for flash.

Reply
 
 
Jul 23, 2021 19:34:42   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
sheldon minsky wrote:
I would still be happy with my 4x5 speed graphic and my Leica 3f with the red dial for flash.


And... you could Photoshop the negatives!

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 19:40:12   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Chris13 wrote:
I just shot 2 rolls of film last week. I heard people even still do oil paintings in this digital age!

Using the latest greatest gear with the most over the top specs is in itself a hobby goal for some - and not just in photography. Just remember a skilled automobile driver (who actually enjoys the experience of driving) doesn't need ABS, power steering or automatic transmission.

Your needs should determine the technology used - are you a pro sports photographer or maybe selling fine art prints? - it's a balance between creative hands on decisions and running autopilot to achieve the goal at hand.
I just shot 2 rolls of film last week. I heard peo... (show quote)


Chris I read that most of the readers of cookbooks don't actually cook (much)--same with cooking shows on TV.

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 20:05:46   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Besperus wrote:
Or be lucky enough to be at the right place, right time and press the shutter on the camera that focuses and exposes by it’s self. I dog, monkey or rabbit could do it. Luck


Besperus, suppose an art gallery put on a show of pictures from surveillance cameras--no photographer?

Reply
Jul 23, 2021 22:06:44   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
As someone who actively shoots film in 2021, as well as old manual focus film lenses on digital cameras, my thoughts would include:

1) Consider a mirrorless body that allows for sharing all your current film lenses with now a practical 'digital back'.

2) If you have AF capable film lenses, consider the compatibility of these lenses with a target digital camera, whether mirrorless or DSLR. I say this with the idea of maintaining film shooting along with digital.

Personally, I gave up on manual focus film lenses and bodies about 5 years ago. I can't focus as well manually without digital aids and I was just wasting film as compared to what I can do with AF-capable lenses. Now, I seamlessly share my Canon EF lenses, with both AF and IS, with an EOS 1v for film and the corresponding EOS 5DIII for DSLR.

The old completely manual / non electronic Canon FD lenses I mount to a Sony a7II. Multiple tools in the mirrorless Electronic View Finder (EVF) let me focus these lens better than I ever could with the manual focus film bodies, better than even back in my 20s with fresher eyes.

Ideally, I'd have one EOS mirrorless platform for both AF and MF lenses as a digital platform. That consolidation is still a few years into the future, as the option didn't exist in the past when I made the decision to dump the MF film bodies for the Sony. Depending on your legacy film equipment, you may / may not have an option to add a digital body that leverages all the old equipment on the new.
As someone who actively shoots film in 2021, as we... (show quote)


Thank you for the information. I am in the process of converting my last two lenses from pre Nikon Ai to converted Ai. I am using original Nikon conversion kits from a UK Nikon dealer. They are a 80-200 f/4.5 zoom and a 300 f/4.5 prime Nikkor. I have several other Nikkor primes which are already Ai, so I can use them with a Nikon DSLR.
I will stay with Nikon and purchase a Nikon D850 when the US model is back in stock at B&H. Perhaps I will wait until the Black Friday sale in November, so I am not in a hurry. I agree with you on the ability on autofocus being the way to go, and don't have a problem using it. I do have a Nikkor AF 17-35 f/2.8 ED which I use in manual with my Nikon F2's, so I am moving in the AF direction.
Thanks again for your information and time. I do appreciate your guidance and direction.
Mundy

Reply
 
 
Jul 23, 2021 22:18:12   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Chris13 wrote:
I just shot 2 rolls of film last week. I heard people even still do oil paintings in this digital age!

Using the latest greatest gear with the most over the top specs is in itself a hobby goal for some - and not just in photography. Just remember a skilled automobile driver (who actually enjoys the experience of driving) doesn't need ABS, power steering or automatic transmission.

Your needs should determine the technology used - are you a pro sports photographer or maybe selling fine art prints? - it's a balance between creative hands on decisions and running autopilot to achieve the goal at hand.
I just shot 2 rolls of film last week. I heard peo... (show quote)


I just finished a hot air ballon meet on film last week, using 35mm and 120 film stock on a 500 CM.
Mundy

Reply
Jul 24, 2021 11:29:25   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
mundy-F2 wrote:
I just finished a hot air ballon meet on film last week, using 35mm and 120 film stock on a 500 CM.
Mundy


That sounds great--I look forward to seeing the pictures. I know the 500CM can shoot either film or digital back--but does it shoot 35mm with a back for that, or was that another camera?

Reply
Jul 24, 2021 12:56:22   #
mundy-F2 Loc: Chicago suburban area
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
That sounds great--I look forward to seeing the pictures. I know the 500CM can shoot either film or digital back--but does it shoot 35mm with a back for that, or was that another camera?


I shoot a Nikon F2 for 35mm film. I do not have a digital back for the 500 CM... just 120 film. I occasionally shoot 4/5 film. I will move into digital later in the year, as soon as Nikon USA restocks their inventory.
Mundy

Reply
Page <<first <prev 15 of 15
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.