francwoods

Thanks. I do have other lenses.
AF-S Micro NIKKOR 40 mm 1:2.8G for Macro and
AF-P NIKKOR 10-20mm 1:4.5-5.6G for landscape.
And I'm not planning on ditching the 7200.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Not planning to ditch the DX body? You don't sound very committed to a full-frame world. One foot in both worlds isn't how you succeed.

BebuLamar

Why success is so important? What about fun?

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

If your sensor throws away 50% of the frame, how will you ever achieve your potential as a photographer?

francwoods

Interesting... but I have heard "it's not about the gear". At this point I'm still learning and experimenting and want to see what FF can do for me. So I may actually look into renting each for awhile before making a decision.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

In today's latest releases, the crop factor is the differentiator within DSLRs. If you want to achieve an obvious and demonstrable difference in your images simply via technology, you have to mount sharper mirrorless lenses to a mirrorless full-frame body. Everything else is just buying into yesterday's outdated DSLR FF hype.

Bill_de Loc: US

Easy! By knowing which 50% to throw away.

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therwol Loc: USA

It isn't just a rumor that these lenses will be discontinued. Multiple sources got this information from Nikon in Japan. I'm not personally involved in Nikon's decision making, but it seems to me that the only future they have, if they have one, is with the mirrorless cameras and lenses. I'm sure that they've already designed a replacement for the D850, but would they tool up for it and release it? Time will tell, but I'd bet against it.

BebuLamar

Aha!

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

I agree but the D780 is technologically way ahead of the D850 which is really getting long in the tooth and very primitive compared to newer cameras.
Yes, look at used if going DSLR.

Hip Coyote

As a contrarian on this topic, why do you want to go FF? What are the technical reasons? Have you considered going the other way...to M 4/3 sensors? Are you a pro that needs FF? Have you done a needs analysis? My point is that most people lust after FF but really need much much less.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Imagine your life as a successful photographer. Are you holding a full-frame camera?

BebuLamar

The crop factor! When you go FF you don't have the crop factor. While it's a simple thing it's the source of vastly confusion to many.

Hip Coyote

I am aware of that and agree. The m43 sure does have the crop factor.

But my point is that so many people get spun up on equipment and really don't need it. Its like the guy who has a 500 hp Mustang only to drive to the doughnut shop on Saturdays to show off his 500 hp mustang. It is the owning it that is the fun part...I get that. The car has never seen a track let alone been over 100 mph.

I crop a bit, but I do pretty much get it in the range of ok when I shoot. I can also say that AI is really changing the game on what I can do. I can up a photo to 60 mp (80 on my Oly OMD Em1Mk2) and crop from there. But for the most part, I think people are way too equipment intensive and not enough skill intensive. Take a look at the section of Photo Analysis..not a lot of postings there. Meanwhile, people like posting on the Photo Gallery and really do not want to up their skills. Is equipment important? Yes. Does the average guy who takes pictures on vacation or some sunset somewhere really need FF? I'd guess not.

Pros are using m43 equipment. But if I were in a shooting environment where I needed it..low light, pro use, I'd put crap loads of money into FF...probably Canon or Sony. Get a Nikon 850 or a widget 780? My advice is to work on skills, including pp, as much as possible. And enjoy talking to fellow enthusiasts like you!

Happy shooting.

francwoods

Thanks for the input!