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Jun 9, 2021 08:37:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
The touch ID thing is great. I have it in my MBP and can't be without it now.
Somewhat odd that the iMac has a mag-safe power cord in the back, while the Apple laptops have done away with that useful feature.


The new iMac power cord is magnetic, but not safe as the old MacBook Pro MagSafe connector *really* was. Several YouTube reviewers have nearly destroyed their iMacs when testing how safe it isn’t!

The iMac 24” is too light and top-heavy. Yank the cord and the computer tips over. Maybe it would work with a lead weight on the stand base…

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Jun 9, 2021 08:54:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The limit on the 24 is 16GB, which is surprising, but that seems to be sufficient, given the specs.


It is a very different memory setup from Intel computers. The internal storage is used as swap RAM when needed, but *because it is much faster and closer to the processor cores,* the user almost never notices that swap.

Effectively, setting a large cache size becomes more important than maxing out RAM.

The technology is over ten years old. Apple’s been doing this in all their other devices since the iPhone 4. So they have a very solid track record with it.

The first iPad that Steve Jobs introduced in 2010 was so fast for its time that people started wondering when computers could get that fast.

The system on chip concept is important — Electrons traveling much shorter distances means everything happens faster.

The 5nm process is very helpful, too. Not only does it use much less power, but it, too, draws components closer together.

Then there’s the RISC ARM architecture, which is more efficient than Intel CISC.

Future Apple processors will feature more memory. There are rumors of up to 40 CPU cores, 128 graphics cores, and 64 GB Unified Memory coming in two years.

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Jun 9, 2021 08:58:01   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The limit on the 24 is 16GB, which is surprising, but that seems to be sufficient, given the specs.


That was one thing that bothered me. Before I decided to get this M1, I had been contemplating an Intel iMac and was going to get minimum Ram but then upgrader to something like 64GB from aftermarket Ram. With this M1 you can't upgrade the Ram after the fact, which is disappointing. I know that a tricked out Intel Mac would have been faster at some tasks, like video editing, but so far I have not been disappointed in the performance of this thing. In fact, the day to day user experience is amazing - it turned on in a matter of seconds and when I awake it from sleep, it pops on instantaneously.

Knowing that Apple and other Apple App developers are going to be moving more towards programs that are optimized for the M1 chip and ARM programming, I am happy with my decision to go with this new iMac, even though it isn't as tricked out as I'd have liked.

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Jun 9, 2021 09:20:04   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Basil wrote:
That was one thing that bothered me. Before I decided to get this M1, I had been contemplating an Intel iMac and was going to get minimum Ram but then upgrader to something like 64GB from aftermarket Ram. With this M1 you can't upgrade the Ram after the fact, which is disappointing. I know that a tricked out Intel Mac would have been faster at some tasks, like video editing, but so far I have not been disappointed in the performance of this thing. In fact, the day to day user experience is amazing - it turned on in a matter of seconds and when I awake it from sleep, it pops on instantaneously.

Knowing that Apple and other Apple App developers are going to be moving more towards programs that are optimized for the M1 chip and ARM programming, I am happy with my decision to go with this new iMac, even though it isn't as tricked out as I'd have liked.
That was one thing that bothered me. Before I dec... (show quote)


If your application bogs down, see if you can increase the amount of memory it can use, and/or the number of “levels” of cache it can store. This can solve lots of problems with app “hesitancy” for power users.

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Jun 9, 2021 10:17:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
It is a very different memory setup from Intel computers. The internal storage is used as swap RAM when needed, but *because it is much faster and closer to the processor cores,* the user almost never notices that swap.

Effectively, setting a large cache size becomes more important than maxing out RAM.

The technology is over ten years old. Apple’s been doing this in all their other devices since the iPhone 4. So they have a very solid track record with it.

The first iPad that Steve Jobs introduced in 2010 was so fast for its time that people started wondering when computers could get that fast.

The system on chip concept is important — Electrons traveling much shorter distances means everything happens faster.

The 5nm process is very helpful, too. Not only does it use much less power, but it, too, draws components closer together.

Then there’s the RISC ARM architecture, which is more efficient than Intel CISC.

Future Apple processors will feature more memory. There are rumors of up to 40 CPU cores, 128 graphics cores, and 64 GB Unified Memory coming in two years.
It is a very different memory setup from Intel com... (show quote)


Yes, I've heard that type of thing from online reviews. Thankfully, the price is high enough that I'm not even tempted. My 2012 is still creaking along. : )

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Jun 10, 2021 09:47:23   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
burkphoto wrote:
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Future Apple processors will feature more memory. There are rumors of up to 40 CPU cores, 128 graphics cores, and 64 GB Unified Memory coming in two years.


I can't wait to see what the "Pro" lineup will look like (whatever they call it).

Speaking of memory swap, if you open the Activity Monitor it will show you how much SSD has been used in memory swap (though I'm not sure if it means what is being used at the moment or what has been used in the past X-minutes).



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Jun 12, 2021 23:06:09   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Ednsb wrote:
I too was using a mid-2011 27in iMac which ran my software well but was stuck at High sierra as an OS. As a result, some of my software would run using the latest versions like PhotoShop and LightRoom 2021. Then a security update wouldn't complete and it started having issues so I had to do something. After seeing photographic-based reviews I pulled the trigger on an M1 Mac Mini. Without a doubt, the best value. Bought it from Apple under educational pricing, put it on my apple credit card with the purchase split over 12 months without interest and got 3% back on purchase for a bit over 1k. Superfast (Topaz Sharpen AI runs in 7 seconds rather than 7 minutes), noiseless, cool (never heats up even processing 32-panel pano in Affinity ). I'm sure the next Apple Silicon chipset will be incremental faster but this m1 is a huge leap forward. Btw I wasn't sure about the move because it took apple a lot of time to move to Intel from the PowerPC chipset. Rosette I was a disaster. Other than 32bit apps nothing I own which is compiled for Intel fails to run as fast or faster. I did lose the Nik plugins I PAID for which DxO will not upgrade but that's it. One last thought. I'm a retired software exec and have used the best and most expensive PC laptops made. I seriously looked at migrating to a gaming laptop and even borrowed a friend's tricked-out laptop running the latest intel chipset with 64Gb ram, 16Gb ram GPU, and a fast SSD. While faster than my 10 yr old iMac by about 1x to 2.5x it was noisy as hell and got so hot I had to put an oven mitt under it as I was afraid it would damage my teak desktop. Oh, and it cost over 5k.
I too was using a mid-2011 27in iMac which ran my ... (show quote)


That old 2011? I'll gibe ya $50 for it!
Kidding aside ...
There's a user "Dosdude" that has a patch to get you to Catalina.
Upgrade it to 16gb ram, and replace that crappy spinner with a 1tb SSD. Happy happens.
No?
Do those upgrades, install a lite version of Win10, and make a kid happy.

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Jun 13, 2021 11:49:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Harry0 wrote:
That old 2011? I'll gibe ya $50 for it!
Kidding aside ...
There's a user "Dosdude" that has a patch to get you to Catalina.
Upgrade it to 16gb ram, and replace that crappy spinner with a 1tb SSD. Happy happens.
No?
Do those upgrades, install a lite version of Win10, and make a kid happy.




Intel Macs will make decent Windows 10 and Linux machines as Apple abandons support for them over the next few years.

I’d avoid ALL the current Intel Macs if running MacOS is the priority going forward. M1 and later are the future!

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