boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

The vast number of electric cars will be powered by f****l f**l generated electric power. For gas or diesel vehicles crude is refined and pumped to gas or diesel fuel tanks. For electric cars crude is refined. or coal is mined. Both are burned to make a fire to boil water to make stean to turn a turbine to make electricity to power the electric car. What it comes down to is that electric cars will use more f****l f**ls than will gas or diesel vehicles. So the question occurs. Why electric cars?










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DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Hopefully you will inform the vehicle manufacturers and gov't before they foolishly continue.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

The idea is to get away from f****l f**l generation of electricity, and that is when the benefits become realizable.

I just bought a plug-in hybrid, which at least allows me to use electricity from my solar installation in a round-about way... I sell my power to the utility which offset's f****l f**l sourcing during the day, and I charge my car at night.

The plug-in makes sense to me, but the hybrid vehicles that don't allow you to plug in make little sense to me. The same vehicle without the extra weight of batteries and an electric motor would be more fuel efficient. And considering the losses involved, a regular hybrid only gets its electric charge from the gas engine, so multiple stages of inefficiency along the way. I don't think the regenerative braking benefit is enough to offset the parasitic losses of recharging from the fuel that could have been used just to propel the car directly.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Not true

https://blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-nealer/gasoline-vs-electric-global-warming-emissions-953

And manufacturer are getting better. VW has committed to producing an EV with net zero Carbon

If America will get on board and use our tremendous technology we could be the world leaders.
Time to look forward not backward .

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

I've toyed with the idea of solar for the house. But it is just not a good investment. Takes too long, about 10 years. of savings to pay for solar. Initial cost is still toio high, even with free installation.

InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA

Net-zero carbon, now there's a l*****t creation to give l*****t corporate leadership a KumBaYah moment. This from the VW that told everyone their Diesel engines walked on water, until they got caught.

If you pull a drowning victim out of a swimming pool and then shoot them in the head, is that net-zero murder?

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

You were doing great until you stated "What it comes down to is that electric cars will use more f****l f**ls than will gas or diesel vehicles." Maybe they will, and maybe they won't, but you not only didn't make the case, you didn't even attempt to.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

I estimated my payback as about 7 years. I am just over 5 years in now. I sell power at $0.384 per kWh and buy it back at an average of $0.12 per kWh. The purchase rate is guaranteed for 20 years. I can switch to net metering at any time if my purchase cost exceeds my selling cost. My income is close to $5000 per year from the panels.

I think I derive another benefits, like a cooler house because the panels absorb the sun and leave about 6 inches of space underneath for convective cooling.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

Who buys your power at $0.384 per kWh.....???

mwalsh Loc: Houston

What dark place did you pull that little "factoid" from?

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

The electric utility grid.

Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal

You mean the part where you don't really need foreign f****l f**l; except for lube?
You mean the part where your solar panels during the day can "fill" your car at night?
You mean the part where you plug your car in and it's always good to go?
You mean the part where you drive a quiet car?
You mean the part where you don't need a lot of maintenance?
You mean the part where we don't need any more power plants that pollute our water or our air?

btbg

That's an excellent question. They don't function well in cold weather. They have limited range. You can't just carry a couple five gallon cans of gas if you are going to be out in the middle of no place, and it isn't even the best technology available.

The best technology would be instead of hydrogen fuel cells, cars with hydrogen converters. It has been done with a pickup. However, the person who did it had to fill the entire back of the pickup with the converter. Find a way to miniaturize the converters and all you have to do is fill the car with water and the emissions would be oxygen.

No f****l f**ls. No batteries that will pollute when they have to be disposed of. No recharging time. But, of course the power players are trying to force a lesser technology on us because there is more profit in it for them.

For those who think electric cars are safe just look at the recent Tesla accident. There was no driver in the car, but the real problem is that once the lithium batteries ignited it took them four hours to put the fire out.

slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again

Then they will be out of business very soon.....!!!

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

If we are to remain a third-world nation, then we must reject electric cars and trucks along with universal free health care & education. The 1950's were great let us remain in that "Father knows Best" sitcom pretend world.

We with p***e are a conservative nation of narrow-minded fools not wanting to advance into the future of technology. We think in terms of burning fuel to make electricity or building pressure cooker nuk plants that produce radioactive waste that lasts 100 thousand years. In the meantime, the metric nations [we are the only inch nation!!!] are using the technology that Nixon based on oil-company contributions rejected... Thorium Molten-salt reactors are efficient and operate without pressure and are self-regulating. United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, India, China, France, the Czech Republic, Japan, Russia, Canada, Israel, and the Netherlands are using our proven, politically bribery rejected, and successfully run for 5 years [1960-65] technology.

Nixon gave orders that all of the reports on this technology be destroyed, the researchers took it home and 5 years or so ago opened the door to the future. Oh my god! what will happen to our dependence on Oil??? The workers will starve... the stock will drop. Don't worry, at my age, I will still be driving my 99 Isuzu and see 300,00 miles on the odometer... burning a tank a month going to Walmart two miles away from home.

So why electric, simply because they use electricity that can be generated using Thorium and waste from Pressure Cooker Nuk Plants. Thorium is a "waste" product of Rare-Earth mining. Rare-Earth minerals are used in electronics ... make magnets ultra.

Caution... Knowledge is a danger to Republican Conservatives anti-Progressive minds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/thorium.aspx