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Apr 24, 2021 01:06:35   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
dwmoar wrote:
Oh I am so sorry almighty master, I should of known better, even though others say it works for them, or it works for me I should of never listened to anyone but you because it doesn't meet your requirements, ideas or goals for what software should or shouldn't do?

Can you ever forgive me since I chose not to run Windows in a virtual environment on my Linux machine, even if it is easy to do?

Can you forgive me because perhaps I don't have as many cameras or lenses as you seem to think is necessary or maybe haven't spent as much money on them as you have? Even thought you have no idea what I actually have or how much I have spent on said equipment.

Can you ever forgive me because I chose not to listen to your ranting on about how GiMP is so bad because it doesn't work for you are how you think it should work, so no one else should ever use it because it is bad and Photoshop or it ilks are some much better and you have to pay for software as a service.
Oh I am so sorry almighty master, I should of kno... (show quote)


No idea who you are whining about. Use “quote reply” if you wish to be meaningful.

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Apr 24, 2021 01:14:52   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
IDguy wrote:
Unlikely. Most probably happily pay a $100 per month cell bill. It is a matter of priority.

And the $10 per month is small compared to the computer system needed to run any of the programs. To say nothing of having a camera that makes any of the programs useful.

Woke misthinking not applicable here.


$10/month in addition to paints a more accurate picture. Or...money isn't the issue and some just prefer other applications because they simply choose to. But to say they aren't serious unless they choose "this program" over "that program is flawed misthinking.

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Apr 24, 2021 06:13:48   #
Barbonbrown
 
I use GIMP. I also use a number of other FOSS software programs, I suppose like Photoshop users use Lightroom etc.
Gimp is not as fully featured as Photoshop, but does most of what Photoshop can do, and all I have needed. I would add Rawtherapee, Lightzone, and Darktable, all very capable and free (in both senses) programs developed by enthusiasts and experts in the Linux community (as Android and several of the past Mac OS were), two of which dovetale into Gimp reasonably well. There are those who decry free software, including all FOSS, generally those who haven't used it.

I'd also search out and add various plugins from G'Mic and others, scripts etc. which add further functionality. The range of sharpening and contrast tools there is very good.

Gimp has changed and improved over the years as all such software has, so impressions from a try 10 years ago are not that useful.

My print driver, Turboprint, also meshes with Gimp in its menus so I can print directly from the program. Sadly Qimage, which I am very impressed with trying on a Windows machine, does not run under Linux.

With every change of software there will be a learning curve. I'm used to the Gimp, so it feels natural. You won't be, so it won't feel as good until you are.

These programs won't cost you anything, so worth giving a go, but do give them a good try, not a "doesn't feel familiar, can't work out how to do something first time, therefore will give up" try. Gimp and its friends are very powerful tools, if they had a commercial reason to push them in the market they'd be far more well known and used.

Hope this of some use.

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Apr 24, 2021 10:57:19   #
schaut
 
I am using Catalina and discovered that my favorite Photoshop Elements will not run. HOWEVER, i have always provided a second partition on which i run the PREVIOUS OS X system. That way if i have a problem with anything I can boot into that partition and work on a problem, or in this case if i really want to use PSE, i have Mojave there to use. Unfortunately, Mojave only runs PSE partially. Those problems i have to work out. But the point is, in my opinion, have a partition on your system that's nearly up to date, so you can run a good number of your old favorites until you find an alternative that will work for you. Yes it's a pain to have to boot into another portion when you want to use your favorite apps, but you can spend a lot of time and money trying to find something else! You don't have to use half of your space to do this either. Make a partition that is minimal for your setup, and you won't regret it! Have done this for a couple of decades. Oops!! Just dated myself!

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Apr 24, 2021 11:32:14   #
OleMe Loc: Montgomery Co., MD
 
schaut wrote:
I am using Catalina and discovered that my favorite Photoshop Elements will not run. HOWEVER, i have always provided a second partition on which i run the PREVIOUS OS X system. That way if i have a problem with anything I can boot into that partition and work on a problem, or in this case if i really want to use PSE, i have Mojave there to use. Unfortunately, Mojave only runs PSE partially. Those problems i have to work out. But the point is, in my opinion, have a partition on your system that's nearly up to date, so you can run a good number of your old favorites until you find an alternative that will work for you. Yes it's a pain to have to boot into another portion when you want to use your favorite apps, but you can spend a lot of time and money trying to find something else! You don't have to use half of your space to do this either. Make a partition that is minimal for your setup, and you won't regret it! Have done this for a couple of decades. Oops!! Just dated myself!
I am using Catalina and discovered that my favorit... (show quote)


This is when you would appreciate NVMe SSDs
Booting is very fast. My newly built system has two of them on the motherboard.

Oh: I've never had your problem with The GIMP running on Linux.

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Apr 24, 2021 12:42:18   #
vg Loc: Kansas City area
 
What is a woke?

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Apr 24, 2021 13:31:37   #
brontodon
 
I've been using GIMP for years. Never got into Photoshop because it was like $600 or $700 back in the film days. GIMP's a very powerful program that does what I need (and WAY more!) There are a number of free and low-cost options; my advice would be to just pick one and get good at it. Here are some possibilities:

GIMP
Darktable
NX Studio (if you're a Nikon user; if not, each camera maker has its own program)
Picture Window Pro
Raw Therapee
Photoscape X

Plenty to work with!

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Apr 24, 2021 16:03:41   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
brontodon wrote:
I've been using GIMP for years. Never got into Photoshop because it was like $600 or $700 back in the film days...


Those $600 prices extended well into digital. I got into postprocessing around 2005-2006. Used GIMP because the price was right. But a couple years later I ponied up the $600 because PS was better and did things I wanted to do. (Graphics as well as photomanipulation). Even went through a couple of the pricey updates. I'm very happy that the subscription is priced right now.

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Apr 27, 2021 00:43:59   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
topcat wrote:
I use Photoshop Elements along with Elements+. It is an add-on to Elements that allows you to do a few things in Elements that you could only do in Photoshop.
The one that I use the most the curves. Elements does not allow this to work.

Anyway, it works for me.


Thanks tomcat for your Elements description. I use "levels" on most every photo I take in Post Production and it quickly improves the photo by leaps and bounds.

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Apr 27, 2021 20:11:26   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
vg wrote:
The endless tirade against photoshop subscription program is such a waste of time.
If you are a serious photographer or just use your camera as a hobby $10 a month should not be an issue.


I agree and just subscribed! Thanks!

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Apr 27, 2021 20:12:11   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
johngault007 wrote:
LOL....That's an awesome opinion!


Makes sense!

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Apr 27, 2021 20:13:05   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
AzPicLady wrote:
There are some people who are quite serious about their work but to whom an extra $10 is a hardship. Can we be a bit kinder about this?


Kindness is always a good thing.

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Apr 27, 2021 20:19:09   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
Hello Brent,

I didn't have time the whole thread so I hope this isn't a duplication of existing suggestions, but here's a few of suggestions.

1) Why not just downgrade your installation from Big Sur back to Catalina. It seems to me this would cause you the least amount of overall frustrations. Here's a link on how to do that. Now super easy but will likely be much easier than relearning a new photography platform.

https://setapp.com/how-to/downgrade-from-big-sur-to-catalina

2) If you really want to move to GIMP but want to stay in a familiar working environment, I would suggest looking into a GIMP add-on called PhotoGIMP. It's not perfect but it seems to create a working environment close to PS. It might make the transition easier that going gold-turkey into GIMP.

3) I have both PS and Affinity (and sevaral other editors). While they are different, I've found Affinity to be the best PS look alike with similar features. There are differences, but, for me, the transition was not really that difficult. Affinity also has a book that describes Affinity and how to use it. If I were advising you about an programs for PS, it would be in this order: 1) Affinity, 2) PSE, 3)GIMP with PhotoGIMP.

4) There are plug-ins to PSE that unlock a lot of advanced features that make it more PS like. Not a perfect solution, but if you want to stay in the Adobe family but PSE is missing advanced features that you need, this may be an alternative. ElementsXXL is one that comes to mind.

Hope this helps
Mike
Hello Brent, br br I didn't have time the whole t... (show quote)


Mike, the money is not that big of a deal for me. Having to learn a new program IS a big deal. It's worth it to me to not have to re-learn new programs. I also know with the subscription to PS I will also have the latest upgrades added as they make them. I will have the state of the art program to use. I don't want to go to Catalina for my operating system since I have Big Sur on right now...........everything is state of the art, so I don't have to worry. Thanks for all of your ideas though, maybe someone reading this will glean from your thoughts.

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Apr 27, 2021 20:20:00   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
fantom wrote:
If economically feasible I'd suggest going with the PS subscription for ten bucks a month. That includes program updates the frequently add new or enhanced features. It is worth it if you do much editing or compositing.


Yes, I'm going with your suggestion! Thanks so much!

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Apr 27, 2021 20:22:19   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
Jeffers wrote:
Photoshop Elements is still purchase, not subscription. Their annual updates are mostly for Quick and Guided Modes and not nearly as good as using Expert Mode. If you get Elements, you can use it for years before replacing it. To my knowledge, the last time they added tools to the Expert Mode was Elements 2015 and those had to do with adjusting facial expressions. The biggest downside to Elements is that you have to do pictures one at a time, no auto adjust. But I have the process down to less than a minute and a half per digital picture. Unless I have to do some masking which is rare. If you already know Photoshop or Lightroom, the transition to Elements should be easy. OBTW, I tried GIMP a few years ago, didn't like it.
Photoshop Elements is still purchase, not subscrip... (show quote)


Jeffers, I signed up for the subscription and after reading everyone's ideas I'm very happy with the decision, but thanks so much for you ideas on Elements.

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