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Apr 5, 2021 00:00:53   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and value the experience and advice shared by its contributors.
I shoot in RAW and mostly in Manual mode to capture wildlife images but my first impulse is to shoot in Automatic mode so I don't miss the shot.
My concern is that the Elk might run or the Eagle might fly before a get a shot of it. Once I get a shot, I switch to Manual mode to refine my shutter speed, aperture or ISO knowing that, since I shoot in RAW, I can fine tune it in post.
Many of my final "keepers" are shots I took in Auto.
Does anyone else use this practice or am I just being an insecure "rookie"?
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and... (show quote)


There are times when Manual mode is the only choice that will reliably (or at all) deliver the goods. Night sky photography is one...the in-camera meter just won't work. Multi-image panoramas are another...they work best when exposure is maintained constant for all of the component images. HDR stacks work best with Aperture Priority, so that all component images have equal depth of field.

Investigation will show that for most cameras, Auto mode is mostly the same as Program mode, except that it enables the flash when the light level gets really low. This can be very problematic if your subject is so far away that the light from the flash doesn't reach it. Some cameras also enable functions like Auto ISO and/or Auto White balance in Auto.

I use Program mode quite a bit for general shooting, and I use Exposure Compensation if I want to take some judgement against the values suggested by the meter. I can also use the Command dials to force changes to either aperture or shutter speed while maintaining the same overall exposure. The big benefit of Program mode is that the camera will try its best to avoid extreme apertures or shutter speeds by adjusting both together. It may be less beneficial if you intentionally want to use those extreme values.

Depending on your camets, you may also be able to use Exposure Compensation in Manual mode. My cameras all allow this, and I find it to be a very quick and convenient way to adjust exposure on individual images. This works very well for me. Others say that they would never do it.

Just for reference, I do not use either Auto ISO or Auto White Balance. Others do and feel that these functions work well for them. They do not work for me.

Today's cameras are very flexible. Some more than othets, of course. You don't say what you are using, but perhaps all of these replies will give you some ideas on what will work best for you.

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Apr 5, 2021 00:03:14   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
Longshadow wrote:
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(I wonder if Daytona still lets people drive their own cars on the track during off times.)

Yup, I enjoy Chg Cannon's quips a lot also!

Have a great evening, what's left of it.


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Apr 5, 2021 06:11:07   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and value the experience and advice shared by its contributors.
I shoot in RAW and mostly in Manual mode to capture wildlife images but my first impulse is to shoot in Automatic mode so I don't miss the shot.
My concern is that the Elk might run or the Eagle might fly before a get a shot of it. Once I get a shot, I switch to Manual mode to refine my shutter speed, aperture or ISO knowing that, since I shoot in RAW, I can fine tune it in post.
Many of my final "keepers" are shots I took in Auto.
Does anyone else use this practice or am I just being an insecure "rookie"?
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and... (show quote)


When shooting wildlife in manual mode I am always checking my exposures while I hunt. With Mirrorless is is easier than with DSLR cause you see in the viewfinder what you are going to get. That way, when I see my subject, I am ready to shoot.
Using your system and switching from auto to manual in the heat of battle, you run the risk of missing a once in a life time moment. In RAW, your exposures can be way off and you can still recover a lot in post.
However, if your system works and your getting the results you like, stay with it, sounds like to winner to me.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.

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Apr 5, 2021 06:39:31   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Jerry, you might try the (P)rofessional mode that is nothing other than the camera's Auto with the ability to adjust the exposure settings and have the camera maintain the same exposure. You might find Pro-mode is even more efficient than your Auto to Manual changeover.

Digital cameras (all of them) are biased toward the lowest ISO. They'll shoot at slower shutter speeds and / or wider apertures to maintain the low(er) ISO. That lowest ISO is many times to the detriment of the best image, being too slow in low light or too wide for a lens that should be stepped down for sharpness.

Cameras also have to be 'told' to expose to the right (or left) of the 0-mark in the meter. In Pro-mode, especially when shooting RAW, you can use Exposure Compensation (EC) to 'tell' the camera to expose at a default +0.7 to +1 over / to the right of the 0-mark. That EC works in Aperture and Shutter Priorities too.

So, are you learning in Manual or just fiddling with all the dials? When you consider your lenses, do you know the best apertures for each lens? Do you know the max / highest ISO to limit your camera? Do you have a internal 'feel' for the minimum speed needed to freeze motion for different situations, such as resting animals, swimming ducks, flying eagles? Are you seeking to develop an intuitive sense of your equipment, the light, and the subject such that you dial in the manual parameters, position the AF point, and raise the camera and start delivering 'keepers' from frame 1?

That paragraph and questions above define the situation where you are one with your camera. That's when the magic begins. You can be just as successful in Aperture or Shutter Priority, shooting modes I use on my film and mirrorless cameras respectively. Manual can be more work with less success unless every aspect of exposure and the equipment is intuitive. And of course, it takes lots of practice and time. Consider your true destination and the best path that leads you there.
Jerry, you might try the (P)rofessional mode that ... (show quote)


I thought P; indicated, Program.

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Apr 5, 2021 07:09:41   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Why Ken Rockwell calls Program "professional" is beyond me. It is possible to manipulate aperture and shutter speed but not separate of each other. I guess it is called Flexible Program. I find more professionals using Manual Mode where the photographer makes adjustments to the camera according to the lighting conditions and his or her subject.

I do not favor the Manual Mode for wildlife photography unless the subject is stationary. A running deer will be out of range by the time the camera is set to shoot. Shooting program is fine but as suggested by Linda an auto ISO is a priority. Many photographers shoot wildlife in Shutter Priority to make sure they stop action. Nothing wrong with Aperture Priority but keep ISO high and watch the shutter speed.

Auto modes are convenient and can make the difference when it is important to get the shot.

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Apr 5, 2021 07:14:10   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
Complete Auto mode is great as a default setting for "surprise" shots where you see something suddenly and you need to take a picture right away or the moment is lost. In those situations you won't have time to check settings. Otherwise for deliberate photography, one of the professional modes is better.

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Apr 5, 2021 07:22:43   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Jerry, use what works for you.
--Bob
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and value the experience and advice shared by its contributors.
I shoot in RAW and mostly in Manual mode to capture wildlife images but my first impulse is to shoot in Automatic mode so I don't miss the shot.
My concern is that the Elk might run or the Eagle might fly before a get a shot of it. Once I get a shot, I switch to Manual mode to refine my shutter speed, aperture or ISO knowing that, since I shoot in RAW, I can fine tune it in post.
Many of my final "keepers" are shots I took in Auto.
Does anyone else use this practice or am I just being an insecure "rookie"?
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and... (show quote)

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Apr 5, 2021 07:31:47   #
achesley Loc: SW Louisiana
 
My story on this is many many thousands of miles via motorcycle about the USA. And camera in the tank bag. Coming up on some ' O My " scenes , gotta get that shot now! No can pull over! Hmmmmm. Get the camera out of the tank bag, turn it on, shoot shoot shoot. While on the move.
Then wanted to process more than Just Auto would give me as I learn more about LR in the years. So, the P mode became my go to while on the move.
I'll still play in Apeture and Speed when stopped and taking my time but 90% of my stuff in in the P mode and RAW.

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Apr 5, 2021 07:42:03   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
If your system works for you, don't worry about others! However, a different process you might try is to set shutter speed and aperture, and then use auto ISO if your camera has the option.

I do this because I need a relatively fast shutter speed to offset my own wobbliness. So I usually set shutter speed to 1/750 second, and I start with a "middle of the road" aperture such as f/8. After the first couple of shots, if I have time (i.e. if the subject is willing ) I will set the ISO to better reflect the challenges of the lighting (such as dark bird against light sky) or change aperture for different compositions (such as including more surroundings).
If your system works for you, don't worry about ot... (show quote)


The WINNER!!!
The cameras I use will NOT shoot RAW in Auto mode. Many "auto" functions are typically applied only to jpgs thus "auto" with RAW is not possible.

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Apr 5, 2021 07:44:39   #
TerryVS
 
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and value the experience and advice shared by its contributors.
I shoot in RAW and mostly in Manual mode to capture wildlife images but my first impulse is to shoot in Automatic mode so I don't miss the shot.
My concern is that the Elk might run or the Eagle might fly before a get a shot of it. Once I get a shot, I switch to Manual mode to refine my shutter speed, aperture or ISO knowing that, since I shoot in RAW, I can fine tune it in post.
Many of my final "keepers" are shots I took in Auto.
Does anyone else use this practice or am I just being an insecure "rookie"?
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and... (show quote)


There's a few different "auto" modes. My wildlife is a bit different than yours (photojournalist here) but I know how much shutter speed I have to have in a given situation. I also know the aperture I wish to use. Therefore I use auto ISO. The upper end is very high (25600 I believe). Bottom line is I want the shot even if at high ISO. I know I can freeze the subject and I know what my depth of field will be. Obviously I can adjust those very quickly if need be but if no time I'll get the shot.

That said there's no right or wrong way. If you get the picture then you did it right!

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Apr 5, 2021 07:58:55   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Joel Sartori, Nat Geo photographer, has some good instructional videos on The Great Courses. In one, he said that he keeps his "home" cameras set on Auto so he can just pick one up and take a quick shot. If you have to take the time to change all the settings, you miss the shot.

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Apr 5, 2021 08:01:22   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
traderjohn wrote:
I thought P; indicated, Program.

It does.

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Apr 5, 2021 08:02:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Joel Sartori, Nat Geo photographer, has some good instructional videos on The Great Courses. In one, he said that he keeps his "home" cameras set on Auto so he can just pick one up and take a quick shot. If you have to take the time to change all the settings, you miss the shot.

LOVE IT!

So much for MSM.

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Apr 5, 2021 08:12:41   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
Jerry Bruzek wrote:
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and value the experience and advice shared by its contributors.
I shoot in RAW and mostly in Manual mode to capture wildlife images but my first impulse is to shoot in Automatic mode so I don't miss the shot.
My concern is that the Elk might run or the Eagle might fly before a get a shot of it. Once I get a shot, I switch to Manual mode to refine my shutter speed, aperture or ISO knowing that, since I shoot in RAW, I can fine tune it in post.
Many of my final "keepers" are shots I took in Auto.
Does anyone else use this practice or am I just being an insecure "rookie"?
I have enjoyed this forum for about a year now and... (show quote)


Sounds like you could go to what I think of as 'Guided Auto', set ISO for conditions, set Shutter or aperture for subject requirements, center focus point and go, no need to go full manual and , more important , no missed shots!

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Apr 5, 2021 08:13:36   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
As a wise man once said: Photography is 80% mental, and the other half is the camera.


Was that wise man, Yogi ?

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