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Apr 8, 2021 10:46:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dsmeltz wrote:
No it does not. A majority of users need more than the base line provided by DSLR. There is no equivalence. The minority of users in studio controlled environment settings simply do not make that minority need equal to what most users will need.

Well, that's because they value them....

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Apr 8, 2021 10:47:19   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Fotoartist wrote:
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I have a friend who is an expert watercolorist. She loves saturated colors. Found some special paints last summer that have more pigment and less binder than commercially available ones. She would love brushes like that, as long as the lynxes were not killed or harmed to harvest the hair. 10cc per stroke might be at least a little bit of overkill, though, even for her.

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Apr 8, 2021 10:52:09   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Longshadow wrote:
Well, that's because they value them....


But not all individual valuing is equal. When 90% of users value flexibility and 10% want static boredom, that is not the same.

Understanding that difference is why Canon is ALWAYS going to be the market leader.

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Apr 8, 2021 10:52:32   #
gwilliams6
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are capable of processes to improve autofocus and as a result provide a higher keeper rate for action photography. Do not forget that all photography is context sensitive. If you do studio work in a controlled environment with subjects that do not move and you can set the lighting, mirrorless may not provide any advantages. But, for the rest of the world (as in most photography like sports, events, birthdays of grandchildren, macro shots in even a gentle breeze, portraiture, street photography, low light photography, .......) mirrorless provides HUGE advantages.
It is sort of like DxOmark. Nice abstract testing in settings that are useless to most of us. Cameras (and both the trade and art of photography) are system based. What gives you them most flexibility? Right now that is mirrorless.
Mirrorless cameras are capable of processes to imp... (show quote)



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Apr 8, 2021 10:55:38   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
gwilliams6 wrote:


I just wish I could afford to switch. I am at the retirement cusp. I want to liquidate my equipment and replace with mirrorless. But....I have a big obstacle. A wife.

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Apr 8, 2021 10:57:20   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
dsmeltz wrote:
I just wish I could afford to switch. I am at the retirement cusp. I want to liquidate my equipment and replace with mirrorless. But....I have a big obstacle. A wife.


A woman's choice of a mirrorless camera tells you more about her than her perfume.

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Apr 8, 2021 11:02:54   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dsmeltz wrote:
But not all individual valuing is equal. ...

That is definite a truism.

dsmeltz wrote:
...When 90% of users value flexibility and 10% want static boredom, that is not the same.
...

Those two items are not functions in a camera. They are volitions.

dsmeltz wrote:
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Understanding that difference is why Canon is ALWAYS going to be the market leader.

You mean being able to come up with things people may want? That they can sell?

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Apr 8, 2021 11:07:25   #
Rwheless Loc: Houston, TX
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are a way of feeling, of touching, of loving. Images captured from behind a mirror are cold, heartless and uncaring.




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Apr 8, 2021 11:36:05   #
Pixljockey Loc: Southeast Pa.
 
Twenty Eight pages and counting, why do we do this? Which brand is better, which type is better, raw vs jpeg...
A polite “please check the faqs” would suffice. These discussions always spawn less than courteous exchanges.

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Apr 8, 2021 11:37:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Pixljockey wrote:
Twenty Eight pages and counting, why do we do this? Which brand is better, which type is better, raw vs jpeg...
A polite “please check the faqs” would suffice. These discussions always spawn less than courteous exchanges.


Notice that most are simply opinions?

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Apr 8, 2021 11:39:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are capable of processes to improve autofocus and as a result provide a higher keeper rate for action photography. Do not forget that all photography is context sensitive. If you do studio work in a controlled environment with subjects that do not move and you can set the lighting, mirrorless may not provide any advantages. But, for the rest of the world (as in most photography like sports, events, birthdays of grandchildren, macro shots in even a gentle breeze, portraiture, street photography, low light photography, .......) mirrorless provides HUGE advantages.
It is sort of like DxOmark. Nice abstract testing in settings that are useless to most of us. Cameras (and both the trade and art of photography) are system based. What gives you them most flexibility? Right now that is mirrorless.
Mirrorless cameras are capable of processes to imp... (show quote)


Other than providing a zillion AF points (which for the majority of my shots are pointless as I typically use either single point or a small group of points), or not requiring calibration, I’m not aware of what “processes” you mean or that mirrorless cameras in general provide better or faster AF, especially for fast moving objects. Please elaborate. I would just point out that the majority of working sports photographers are using DSLRs such as Nikon D4,5,6 or Canon ID, IDX series cameras. What I think is more accurate is that AF systems are constantly improving and as major manufacturers move to mirrorless, then newer cameras will have better AF - not necessarily because they are mirrorless, but because they are newer and more advanced.

Btw, at 28 pages, this thread likely isn’t the longest in history, but at this rate, it may be a contender.

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Apr 8, 2021 11:42:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
Other than providing a zillion AF points ...
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I feel bad for the poor focusing computer...

This one, no wait those six, no wait, these 12, no wait top 4 and bottom left 3,....
Error, error, does not compute...

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Apr 8, 2021 11:44:00   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought

Looking completely dispassionately which is better photographically – for image quality?

First the significant differences (Comparing APS-C and full frame only):

DSLR bodies are bigger and heavier than mirrorless bodies.
DSLRs take many more photos per battery charge than mirrorless
DSLRs have mirrors :)
Mirrorless don’t have mirrors :) :)
Mmmm – can’t think of any other significant differences.

Second important similarities:

Both have sensors
Both have viewfinders
Both have LCDs
Both have lenses
Mmmm – can’t think of any other important similarities.

So how does any of this make a mirrorless better than a DSLR?? Well IMHO it doesn’t, it can’t and it won’t as far as image quality of photographs is concerned. Excluding the photographers skill levels and the many personal preferences involved, the image quality of a photograph is directly proportional to the quality of the lens and the sensor.
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)


Blah, blah, blah...a troll perhaps? I guess Covid Fever has got us bored again. Everybody knows the differences between the two types of camera bodies. DSLR is no better or worse, unless you want to create a billboard sized photo & mirrorless is no better or worse unless you feel the need for a EV, light weight kit, etc.

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Apr 8, 2021 11:45:03   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Pixljockey wrote:
Twenty Eight pages and counting, why do we do this? Which brand is better, which type is better, raw vs jpeg...
A polite “please check the faqs” would suffice. These discussions always spawn less than courteous exchanges.


I do it because I got tired of fighting it. It's human nature and is never going to go away. In the end, it does no real harm, keeps our blood flowing, and exercises our brains, even if only a small corner of them.

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Apr 8, 2021 11:46:07   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are a way of feeling, of touching, of loving. Images captured from behind a mirror are cold, heartless and uncaring.



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