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Is mirrorless really better thand DSLR? (modern versions only)
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Apr 8, 2021 08:57:27   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
JohnR wrote:
Just a little food for thought

Looking completely dispassionately which is better photographically – for image quality?

First the significant differences (Comparing APS-C and full frame only):

DSLR bodies are bigger and heavier than mirrorless bodies.
DSLRs take many more photos per battery charge than mirrorless
DSLRs have mirrors :)
Mirrorless don’t have mirrors :) :)
Mmmm – can’t think of any other significant differences.

Second important similarities:

Both have sensors
Both have viewfinders
Both have LCDs
Both have lenses
Mmmm – can’t think of any other important similarities.

So how does any of this make a mirrorless better than a DSLR?? Well IMHO it doesn’t, it can’t and it won’t as far as image quality of photographs is concerned. Excluding the photographers skill levels and the many personal preferences involved, the image quality of a photograph is directly proportional to the quality of the lens and the sensor.
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.
Just a little food for thought br br Looking comp... (show quote)


Mirrorless cameras are capable of processes to improve autofocus and as a result provide a higher keeper rate for action photography. Do not forget that all photography is context sensitive. If you do studio work in a controlled environment with subjects that do not move and you can set the lighting, mirrorless may not provide any advantages. But, for the rest of the world (as in most photography like sports, events, birthdays of grandchildren, macro shots in even a gentle breeze, portraiture, street photography, low light photography, .......) mirrorless provides HUGE advantages.
It is sort of like DxOmark. Nice abstract testing in settings that are useless to most of us. Cameras (and both the trade and art of photography) are system based. What gives you them most flexibility? Right now that is mirrorless.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:21:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The smile of a woman holding a mirrorless camera is to behold beauty.


I usually carry a mirrorless camera with me just to hand to beautiful women to see them smile.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:24:22   #
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kb6kgx wrote:
What most of us would like to know is… if there are no real significant differences between DSLR and mirrorless, then why does it seem like there is a big hoo-hah about mirrorless? All these "banner headlines" touting about how we should dump our DSLR and go mirrorless. Nikon and Canon and Sony and everybody will stop production on DSLRs (rumor, of course) and concentrate on mirrorless. If there is no difference, then… why?

Is it possible to look at a photograph and be to tell which type of camera the photograph was taken with? No, of course not.
What most of us would like to know is… if there ar... (show quote)

SLRs are obsolete and IQ doesn’t matter. You and your straw man are verrrry late to the party.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:28:27   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
We don't need mathematics or decision trees to see the beauty a mirrorless camera will bring.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:29:57   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
It is most likely that all the mirrorless camera ar better than their predecessor as the new cameras have not just going to mirrorless but have all the improvements of a new up graded camera . The sensors, focus etc. are improved. Like in the Canon the technical improvements as the 5DIII to 5DIV, same in other brands. When the camera companies compete improvements keep comming.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:37:37   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Of course, none of the points you present go to the issue of image quality.

Granted that mirrorless cameras offer technical improvements in camera performance.

And if I were starting out with doing photography, I'd most likely go for mirrorless over DSLR.
petrochemist wrote:
None of my (five) mirrorless cameras has cost thousands.
They have multiple advantages for me over my DSLRs (also five) most of which have been mentioned in this thread already but to summarise:

The short registration greatly increases flexibility with lenses,
An EVF allows framing when the light levels are too low for a OVF (macro & DOF preview have issues on DSLRs)
If desired a shutter speed average view can be seen in the viewfinder (I've hardly ever tried this)
Instant review can be carried out without taking the camera from your eye
White balance can be shown in the viewfinder
Ditto for Focus peaking, histograms, magnified views, over exposure warnings....
None of my (five) mirrorless cameras has cost thou... (show quote)

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Apr 8, 2021 09:41:30   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
wide2tele wrote:
I'm trying to figure this all out. Maybe it's the EVF? It's cheaper to learn how to meter an exposure isn't it?
What would people do if they had to use match needle metering, manual focus and manual advance? They'd need a new hobby I think!


I have no problem using match needle metering and I often use manual focus lenses. I regularly shoot a DSLR and often adjust the exposure using EC. I also shoot mirrorless and yes, I like being able to see the exposure in the EVF so there’s no guesswork with EC. I find my manual focus lenses easier to use with focus peaking and magnification. DSLR viewfinders are not designed for manual focus. I like the IBIS that allows me to handhold shots I would otherwise need a tripod for. I like the smaller size and weight, (and not needing to carry a tripod), when I’m hiking 10 miles and meaning I can use a long zoom from a kayak where a DSLR would be unwieldy. There are myriad reasons I like my mirrorless better than my DSLR’s, but IQ isn’t one, although it’s probable that some of these features help me achieve a better IQ in situations they’ve helped in than I could’ve gotten with a DSLR in the same situation.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:52:13   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
larryepage wrote:
Does having a car with Lane Assist make one a better driver? No. Probably the opposite as you form the habit of depending on it more and more. Does it prevent you from getting injured or killed in an accident? Quite possibly, it might. Does having a car that can parallel park itself make you a better driver? No, it does not. Does it mean that you might sometimes be able to park closer to the door of your favorite restaurant if you stink at parallel parking? Quite possibly so.

There is nothing necessarily inherently wrong with parallel parking assistance. Lane assist, on the other hand, certainly has the possibility of making you a worse driver than you already are as you become more dependent on it and even less attentive.

I don't care any more about whether you buy a mirrorless camera than I do about whether you buy a car with lane assist or automatic parking. I just don't need any of the three right now, and I get very tired of being told that I do, and, oh, by the way, that I need to pay extra for them.

That's the crux of the argument. If you don't think it's valid, just look down (or up) and check out what page we are on.

I'm asking people to buy what they want, but get clue and leave the rest of us alone. You don't need me to validate your choice, and I really don't need you pestering me about it.

I never tell anyone what they should buy...just what to think about to help them choose. Stop trying to tell me.
Does having a car with Lane Assist make one a bett... (show quote)


I don’t have lane assist or auto parallel parking but I really appreciate my backup camera, heated seats and Bluetooth connection. What I don’t get is where all these people are pestering you about going mirrorless. Invariably these threads are started by someone questioning the need or validity of mirrorless cameras, usually from a negative viewpoint. You choose to become part of the discussion and then you complain that you’re being pestered. What am I missing? Are random people approaching you on the street telling you to go mirrorless? I personally don’t care what you shoot and I’m guessing nobody else here does either. The OP here asked why go mirrorless if there’s no improvement in IQ, (although I’m pretty sure he was just trolling), and I, along with others laid out our reasons for shooting mirrorless that have nothing to do with IQ.

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Apr 8, 2021 09:54:19   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When your solution to every photography problem, and to most of the questions, is to buy a Nikon D850, you're going to be rather out of sorts when mirrorless invalidates your catch-all response.

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Apr 8, 2021 10:06:27   #
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anotherview wrote:
Of course, none of the points you present go to the issue of image quality.

Granted that mirrorless cameras offer technical improvements in camera performance.

And if I were starting out with doing photography, I'd most likely go for mirrorless over DSLR.

Makes sense. IQ is a non issue as there are no inadequate modern cameras. So it’s all a matter of features and operator friendliness. The asteroid is barely a few moments short of the dinosaur breeding grounds. Buckle up !

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Apr 8, 2021 10:20:47   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I usually carry a mirrorless camera with me just to hand to beautiful women to see them smile.


The smile of a woman.....doing anything....is a beauty to behold. The camera is irrelevant.
Tell her a joke, embarrass yourself in some manner or tell her (with meaning) how beautiful she is and you will get the same result.
Spending thousands on a camera will get you one smile. Taking her out to dinner or buying her a nice gift (see the SNL sketch on this topic for a more thorough education) will get you many more.

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Apr 8, 2021 10:26:16   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Mirror-less cameras have some undeniable features that DSLRs do not have. They are only an advantages if you value them.

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Apr 8, 2021 10:41:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
joer wrote:
Mirror-less cameras have some undeniable features that DSLRs do not have. They are only an advantages if you value them.

Your second sentence says it all!

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Apr 8, 2021 10:43:29   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
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Apr 8, 2021 10:45:16   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Longshadow wrote:
Your second sentence says it all!


No it does not. A majority of users need more than the base line provided by DSLR. There is no equivalence. The minority of users in studio controlled environment settings simply do not make that minority need equal to what most users will need.

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