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Apr 7, 2021 18:52:32   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Fotoartist wrote:
How many mirrors or shutters have you ever had to replace in your life? For me it is zero and I have been shooting quite a while.


I have had one Minolta and three Olympus SLRs, then one Fuji and seven (not all at once) Nikon DSLRs since retiring my mirrorless Voightlander Vitomatic in 1976. I have never had a mirror or shutter problem with any of those cameras. (Although the Voightlander does have a problem in the clockwork for the slow speed shutter.)

My guess is that people with mirror fears are probably dealing with other phobias in life also.

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Apr 7, 2021 19:11:16   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
Any evidence for this statement?

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Apr 7, 2021 19:17:29   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Murray wrote:
Any evidence for this statement?


As stated...just a guess...

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Apr 7, 2021 19:36:32   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Ysarex wrote:
OK, clearly I misjudged your expertise focusing a DSLR in live-view using the rear LCD. How do you deal with glare and reflections on the LCD outdoors? Don't tell me you use the camera's auto-focus because that would surely be disingenuous.


I think we all take ourselves so seriously that we tend to forget how fun it is to shoot whether it’s mirrorless or DSLRS. Does it really matter how this goes or will it ever be resolved? Reminds me of RAW vs JPEG and Full Frame vs Crop Sensor discussions. Fun to discuss but never resolved. Happy shooting. Ron

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Apr 7, 2021 19:40:21   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
User ID wrote:
Do you mean the finished photo is the ultimate determinant? I can agree with that. And that means that IQ is simply a non issue. The result works or it doesn’t. IQ is adequate or not. Adequate is easy to achieve, and what is easy is a non issue in practice.

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Seeking “Ultimate” is a pointless waste of every resource involved. But for some the pursuit of Ultimate is a pastime. And with a pastime, waste of resources and foolish pursuits comes with the territory. But treating a pastime like an existential need is just Bozo-ism.
Do you mean the finished photo is the ultimate det... (show quote)


I think we all need to start having fun again regardless of our definitions and how we go about shooting. Good Shooting, Ron

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Apr 7, 2021 19:46:28   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
ronpier wrote:
I think we all take ourselves so seriously that we tend to forget how fun it is to shoot whether it’s mirrorless or DSLRS. Does it really matter how this goes or will it ever be resolved? Reminds me of RAW vs JPEG and Full Frame vs Crop Sensor discussions. Fun to discuss but never resolved. Happy shooting. Ron

You're correct, it will never be resolved, among may other things.
People simply can't understand why things are not done their way,
the "correct" way, so they keep telling people. Hard for some to comprehend that some people don't agree with their philosophy/deduction/reasoning.

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Apr 7, 2021 20:02:48   #
gouldopfl
 
It will naturally move to the mirrorless world as manufacturers no longer make DSLR's or old lens mounts. Canon for example are starting to remove popular EF glass as they bring RF replacement online. This will have an effect on the price of used lenses as I believe that the prices will go up as the number of EF glass available becomes less. RF lenses are very expensive right now and if used EF are available for a few hundred less, they will be in demand

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Apr 7, 2021 20:51:48   #
User ID
 
Murray wrote:
Any evidence for this statement?

What makes you ask ?
Anywho it’s waaaay overly obvious ...

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Apr 7, 2021 20:53:23   #
User ID
 
ronpier wrote:
I think we all need to start having fun again regardless of our definitions and how we go about shooting. Good Shooting, Ron

Amen to that.

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Apr 7, 2021 21:53:29   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
JohnR wrote:
Mirrorless do not have better sensors than DSLRs. Mirrorless do not have better lenses than DSLRs. So photographs from mirrrorless cannot have better image quality than those from DSLRs.


What most of us would like to know is… if there are no real significant differences between DSLR and mirrorless, then why does it seem like there is a big hoo-hah about mirrorless? All these "banner headlines" touting about how we should dump our DSLR and go mirrorless. Nikon and Canon and Sony and everybody will stop production on DSLRs (rumor, of course) and concentrate on mirrorless. If there is no difference, then… why?

Is it possible to look at a photograph and be to tell which type of camera the photograph was taken with? No, of course not.

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Apr 7, 2021 21:57:44   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Bill_de wrote:
So you listed the similarities and ignored the differences ... Great Troll!


And, the differences… are… what?

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Apr 7, 2021 22:29:53   #
Murray Loc: New Westminster
 
larryepage wrote:
As stated...just a guess...


Thanks

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Apr 8, 2021 00:49:35   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
larryepage wrote:
Shorter flange distance as a benefit is actually one of the most bogus arguments in favor of the new designs. Shortening this distance causes wider angles to be required to reach the corners of the sensor. Wider angles mean that the ratio of the distance to the corner against the distance to the center of the frame is larger. The natural result of this is greater brightness falloff in the corners. That has to be corrected in some way. One is simply moving everything forward in the lens barrel, making the lens longer and heavier. The other is introducing some additional non-spherical lens elements to pump more light into the corners. That, in turn, is going to introduce some novel new forms of distortion requiring additional lens elements and weight to correct.

There is no free lunch here, folks. If you want a new camera, by all means buy one. The manufacturers all desperately need your money. Just quit making up stuff and blowing smoke to justify spending your money. The rest of us have figured out that we don't need to do it. Quit trying to tell us that we are wrong. We don't care what you do with your money.
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Finally! A sensible, reasonable, logical counter to all the “mirrorless” hype!

Although there may (?) be advantages of focusability, IB stab. and ability to determine spectral-balance whilst taking a picture, these do not seem to be some miraculous cure-all for deficiency-of-ability.

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Apr 8, 2021 02:27:45   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
gouldopfl wrote:
The mirrorless lenses on a Canon R series are probably the best lenses in the market as the flange being closer to the sensor provides improved focus. Depth of field is different but it is just a learning thing.


Well if flange distance is the deciding factor then Nikon Z mount lenses are probably the best. And exactly what do you mean by “Depth of field is different”?

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Apr 8, 2021 02:31:57   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
wide2tele wrote:
Going by this discussion, I expect to see ridiculously better images from mirrorless photographers than DSLR photographers.


There you go again. Most of us that shoot mirrorless have said IQ is not really a factor in choosing mirrorless.

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