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Mar 23, 2021 09:34:54   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Baja Dan wrote:
Why is it that so many people on here pride themselves on not using their cameras video capability? Unless you are using your camera for a hammer all you are doing is capturing light, and for what purpose? To get a sharper image, to elicit some kind of emotional response, to show your friends and family where you have been or what you all looked like at Christmas? With video not only can you capture your favorite birds but you can hear them talking to each other. You can see them tuck their wings in and glide in feet first when they land on a twig or tuck their wings in and fly like a bullet for a short while. You can almost see them smiling. You can actually get to know the birds that you are photographing. Or how about that family gathering and hearing your brother joking and laughing or even better yet, the little ones giggling. I'm not saying "don't take photographs" I'm saying you're missing a huge part of what your camera can give you. With the internet and video drop boxes you can share the world with your whole family, not just the deaf mutes.--- Sorry about that last bit. Oh. and for those that say a picture is worth ten thousand words, I imagine you have ten thousand pictures, I know I do. I just don't have the wall space, or the time to look at them.
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It’s not that I take pride in not doing video, it’s that I have no interest in doing video. Like the song says, “Different strokes for different folks”

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Mar 23, 2021 10:16:04   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I have previously written this in another thread where a member started a survey. something relating to stills vs. video. I wrote that I have been fascinated by cameras and photography since I was 6-years old but never longed for a movie camera.

It's not that I have anything against motion pictures, filmmaking, movies, and/or video. I do, however, feel that there are too many "apples vs. oranges" conversations. Too many "vs" arguments in camera types, equipment choices- where there is no "contest". There are different tools that appeal to different folks and are applied to specific usages.

My own philosophy on this question: I have too much respect for GOOD cinematography and videography. These are art forms in and of themselves. Personally, I don't care to mess around in an area where I have little or no advanced knowledge and know-how in the specific techniques involved in cinematic camera-work and production.

Oddly enough, after shooting stills on over a dozen movie-sets, I have become an avid reader of the America Cinematographer Magazine" to glean some of the incredible light methodologies that directors of photography and cinematographers apply.

I am sure that many folks use the video function of their digital still cameras. Some come up with decent results but most of what I have seen is the same things uninitiated shooters did in 8mm and Super-8 movies- too many and too fast pans and zooms, unsteady camera management- enough to cause dizziness or disorientation while watching.

At my studio, we do offer videography services for weddings, events, and corporate coverages. I sub-contract the work to professionals who shoot and edit at a very high level.

This is not to say that folks should not enjoy the video feature in their cameras. If they are having fun or artistic and creative satisfaction shooting whatever they shoot in motion or just do a high-tech and digital version of "home-movies", they should certainly pursue that activity. Perhaps some will use this as a starting point for more advanced work.

It's cool but it ain't my thing!

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Mar 23, 2021 10:29:30   #
Quixdraw Loc: x
 
Dad, an expert still photographer, took videos of Grand Children. Probably he and Mom watched them, the rest of us ran for the hills. On the other hand, everyone was pleased to watch slides of the latest trip. I took videos of the kids. As someone else remarked, they were watched once. There are a couple of cases of home videos in the basement. When I find them, if there is no family interest, out they go. The best / worst example when I was teaching Martial Arts. I briefly decided video would be a great tool for improving technique. Possibly for pro athletes and folks in a University program, but not for people paying for lessons. Taking the videos absorbed class time, watching them and critiquing took all the time used for filming and double that after. People were interested, within limits, but had life to live, things to do and places to go. All of this leaves out the other point mentioned, the enormous time and effort involved in creating a finished, polished movie. Not worth it to me, and boring as well. To each their own! Better still with the hammer analogy "Let the cobbler stick to his last."

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Mar 23, 2021 11:04:15   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
quixdraw wrote:
...Better still with the hammer analogy "Let the cobbler stick to his last."


I have been using Shoe Goo for many years. It sticks things together well.

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Mar 23, 2021 11:29:29   #
BebuLamar
 
I guess because I like to work alone and movie making isn't something you do alone.

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Mar 23, 2021 11:46:39   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
Baja Dan wrote:
Why is it that so many people on here pride themselves on not using their cameras video capability? Unless you are using your camera for a hammer all you are doing is capturing light, and for what purpose? To get a sharper image, to elicit some kind of emotional response, to show your friends and family where you have been or what you all looked like at Christmas? With video not only can you capture your favorite birds but you can hear them talking to each other. You can see them tuck their wings in and glide in feet first when they land on a twig or tuck their wings in and fly like a bullet for a short while. You can almost see them smiling. You can actually get to know the birds that you are photographing. Or how about that family gathering and hearing your brother joking and laughing or even better yet, the little ones giggling. I'm not saying "don't take photographs" I'm saying you're missing a huge part of what your camera can give you. With the internet and video drop boxes you can share the world with your whole family, not just the deaf mutes.--- Sorry about that last bit. Oh. and for those that say a picture is worth ten thousand words, I imagine you have ten thousand pictures, I know I do. I just don't have the wall space, or the time to look at them.
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So, you come here just to criticize folks for not thinking like You.. I need that like another hole in the head. Not to mention I don't see that you have posted Any Videos. And if you post Any videos I expect them to be stellar.....

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Mar 23, 2021 11:55:56   #
Pixljockey Loc: Southeast Pa.
 
“Hey honey, I’m going out to buy a new camera”.
“WHAT!” “Why?!”
“Well this one only drove a nail a quarter of an inch, and now it doesn’t work...”

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Mar 23, 2021 12:58:47   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Baja Dan wrote:
Why is it that so many people on here pride themselves on not using their cameras video capability? Unless you are using your camera for a hammer all you are doing is capturing light, and for what purpose? To get a sharper image, to elicit some kind of emotional response, to show your friends and family where you have been or what you all looked like at Christmas? With video not only can you capture your favorite birds but you can hear them talking to each other. You can see them tuck their wings in and glide in feet first when they land on a twig or tuck their wings in and fly like a bullet for a short while. You can almost see them smiling. You can actually get to know the birds that you are photographing. Or how about that family gathering and hearing your brother joking and laughing or even better yet, the little ones giggling. I'm not saying "don't take photographs" I'm saying you're missing a huge part of what your camera can give you. With the internet and video drop boxes you can share the world with your whole family, not just the deaf mutes.--- Sorry about that last bit. Oh. and for those that say a picture is worth ten thousand words, I imagine you have ten thousand pictures, I know I do. I just don't have the wall space or the time to look at them.
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I can understand your point of view, but perhaps you should take a different approach if you want to encourage videography on this forum.

Here's my take: My interests in photography are mainly in the professional areas- it's my day job! Most of the folks on this form are not necessarily interested in the business of portraiture, commercial photography, and wedding photograhy. So, rather than kinda implying "what's wrong with y'all- get with the portraits, product shots and start covering family weddings...", I started 2 sections- one for advanced portraiture and one for commercial and industrial photography. I also co-manged the pre-existing weddings section. No big deals- not any kinda traffic to write home about but the resources are there if anyone wants to participate. I remind folks that certain professional techniques and methodologies can be applied to other areas of photography, the ones that THEY are enthusiastic about.

If videography is where your enthusiasm lies, just contact the admin and propose a new section. Although, as I previously stated, I am no aficionado of videography, I do know enough to realize that there is a ton of specializations that can be discussed, learned, compared, and displayed. Some of it relates directly to still photography- optics, exposure, lighting, to some extent, and compositon. There are, however, so many other and entirely different aspects such as creating a storyboard, basic establishing, closeup and detail shots, editing techniques- cuts. dissolves, lap-dissolves, camera support system and methods, panning and zooming techniques, dolly shots, sound management and mixing, dubbing, Cinéma Vérité methodologies, documentary styles, equipment choices, indoor and outdoor lighting techniques, the Steadycam support system, and so much more. Post-production is a universe!

Show and tell can be very interesting.

You may get more interest than negativity! I'm sure the bird folks (ornithology buffs) would love to hear their favorite chirps and bird-calls accompanying some great images- POST SOME!

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Mar 23, 2021 13:03:04   #
Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA
 
Every time I see an image I shot the video and experience in my mind of the moment is quite clear.

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Mar 23, 2021 13:27:14   #
Urnst Loc: Brownsville, Texas
 
rmalarz wrote:
First off, and to set things straight, I don't take pride in not using the video capabilities. It's a simple matter of no interest in making movies. There is a lot more to it than simply pushing the "movie" button.
--Bob


Well said!

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Mar 23, 2021 14:53:53   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
"My camera is better tool than a hammer."

Funny and shocking story:
The local repair guy, who was always entertaining, said he once got a batch of Nikkormats for maintenance from the art school here. He noticed all of them had little dents in the bottom plate.
Turns out some students were using them as hammers!

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Mar 23, 2021 22:03:35   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
ecobin wrote:
My father took videos of his/our trips and family activities and so did I with my girls. After viewing them once no one wants to see them again - even many years later - too long to sit through even when converted to digital. Whereas photo albums or on line are viewed regularly. That's my experience and why I don't do videos except for some short clips.


Same here. One of my uncles always showed up with his projector and screen. Then it got worse. He had them all transferred to VHS and thought everyone wanted to watch them on TV.

I'd rather hang a picture on the wall.

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Mar 23, 2021 23:22:08   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
It took me a while to find it, but we do have a video section.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/s-110-1.html

They probably need to add Mirrorless to the title.

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Mar 24, 2021 05:49:27   #
w00dy4012 Loc: Thalia, East Virginia
 
rmalarz wrote:
First off, and to set things straight, I don't take pride in not using the video capabilities. It's a simple matter of no interest in making movies. There is a lot more to it than simply pushing the "movie" button.
--Bob



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Mar 24, 2021 05:50:00   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Baja Dan wrote:
Why is it that so many people on here pride themselves on not using their cameras video capability? Unless you are using your camera for a hammer all you are doing is capturing light, and for what purpose? To get a sharper image, to elicit some kind of emotional response, to show your friends and family where you have been or what you all looked like at Christmas? With video not only can you capture your favorite birds but you can hear them talking to each other. You can see them tuck their wings in and glide in feet first when they land on a twig or tuck their wings in and fly like a bullet for a short while. You can almost see them smiling. You can actually get to know the birds that you are photographing. Or how about that family gathering and hearing your brother joking and laughing or even better yet, the little ones giggling. I'm not saying "don't take photographs" I'm saying you're missing a huge part of what your camera can give you. With the internet and video drop boxes you can share the world with your whole family, not just the deaf mutes.--- Sorry about that last bit. Oh. and for those that say a picture is worth ten thousand words, I imagine you have ten thousand pictures, I know I do. I just don't have the wall space, or the time to look at them.
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My Sony a1 shoots at 30 fps. I now have both rolled into one package. Thank you very much for your excellent commentary.

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