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Feb 23, 2021 10:36:23   #
User ID
 
DHenard wrote:
It is amazing isn't it?

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Feb 23, 2021 10:46:49   #
User ID
 
In both instances the 6-figger value is societal. In the commodity market, you have salt water and ink on paper. In the societal view, those same things are priceless.

Art means as much to society as your child means to you. You support your child and people of great wealth hafta support the arts cuz you’re tapped out supporting your child.

Maybe your child will benefit society writ large, or maybe only her family. Same with art. It benefits society writ large, even if certain individual artifacts benefit only a smaller group.

It’s a lopsided analogy but just take the general idea from it.

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Feb 23, 2021 11:33:32   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Abo wrote:
"User (what's in a name?) ID" thinks Karmic value depends on bokeh. LOL

Beside the nickname attack that is uncalled-for - but usual on UHH - when one tries to demean a user there is something you do not seem to be aware of...

Bokeh is by definition 'out of focus' but is also used to name an artefact that is sought after so much that lenses are created in order to create well-defined circles of diffusion, if used properly.

This bokeh is an indicator of skill if one is able to create it consistently w/o making it an impediment to creating a portrait. There is no karma then, just skills.

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Feb 23, 2021 12:25:08   #
Abo
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Beside the nickname attack that is uncalled-for - but usual on UHH - when one tries to demean a user there is something you do not seem to be aware of...

Bokeh is by definition 'out of focus' but is also used to name an artefact that is sought after so much that lenses are created in order to create well-defined circles of diffusion, if used properly.

This bokeh is an indicator of skill if one is able to create it consistently w/o making it an impediment to creating a portrait. There is no karma then, just skills.
Beside the nickname attack that is uncalled-for - ... (show quote)


That's right, Karma and bokeh are unrelated,
however "User Id" either disagrees or
he was trying some lame sarcasm on me.
If it was the latter, perhaps you would be well advised
to tell User Id, an "attack" is "uncalled for".

Also, If one is not aware of something
that one would have no idea of what you refer to.

By the way, you are wasting cyber space explaining,
in your awkward way, what "bokeh" is...
I have known what it is for years and have been using it
for years... below is an example:


(Download)

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Feb 23, 2021 13:20:20   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
lmao @ bokeh displayed... That is out of focus or bokeh as defined by the Japanese term that really means 'confused' and sometimes means 'mentally ill'.

You do not seem to know what is 'bokeh' as far as photography goes. Hint: diffusion circles created in the background and/or foreground by pinpoint light source or reflection.

Bokeh samples as per google images...

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Feb 23, 2021 15:30:08   #
Abo
 
Rongnongno wrote:
lmao @ bokeh displayed... That is out of focus or bokeh as defined by the Japanese term that really means 'confused' and sometimes means 'mentally ill'.

You do not seem to know what is 'bokeh' as far as photography goes. Hint: diffusion circles created in the background and/or foreground by pinpoint light source or reflection.

Bokeh samples as per google images...
lmao @ bokeh displayed... That is out of focus or... (show quote)


Utter rubbish bud.

LOL at your response. If you do a google search
on any subject there are sites that disagree with each other...
for example Wikapedias definition of bokeh disagrees with you... as I do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh

Basing your argument on a Google search is profoundly stupid.

"bokeh" is the "quality" of the unfocused
part of an image, and that can take many forms... not just
one type of artifact as you would have it.

Here is another form of bokeh that I have used that you can laugh at... like a jackass does bud:


(Download)

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Feb 23, 2021 15:33:20   #
Abo
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Beside the nickname attack that is uncalled-for - but usual on UHH - when one tries to demean a user there is something you do not seem to be aware of...

Bokeh is by definition 'out of focus' but is also used to name an artefact that is sought after so much that lenses are created in order to create well-defined circles of diffusion, if used properly.

This bokeh is an indicator of skill if one is able to create it consistently w/o making it an impediment to creating a portrait. There is no karma then, just skills.
Beside the nickname attack that is uncalled-for - ... (show quote)


That's right, Karma and bokeh are unrelated,
however "User Id" either disagrees or
he was trying some lame sarcasm on me.
If it was the latter, perhaps you would be well advised
to tell User Id, an "attack" is "uncalled for".

Cat got your tongue?

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Feb 23, 2021 15:59:50   #
User ID
 
Karma and bokeh are verrrrrry tightly related ... kinda like the double helix. This fact is not dependent on nor limited by the qualities of either the bokeh or the karma. Undeniable and unavoidable, regardless of your lack of observational rigor (“rigour” to you). Much like gravity.

I did observe the pix you posted. Their bokeh exacerbates your karma and now the whole world can freely see them ... although, fortunately, only a relative few actually will.

We can see, by your bokeh, that it’s not easy to be you. A more empathetic person than myself might be saddened by that. But I endeavor to keep my bokeh clean. So, rotsa ruck widdat. Seems you’re gonna need a bucketful.

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Feb 23, 2021 16:09:34   #
Abo
 
User ID wrote:
Karma and bokeh are verrrrrry tightly related ... kinda like the double helix. This fact is not dependent on the qualities of either the bokeh or the karma. Undeniable and unavoidable regardless of your lack of observational rigor (“rigour” to you).

I did observe the pix you posted. Their bokeh exacerbates your karma and now the whole world can see them ... although only very few actually will.

We can see, by your bokeh, that it’s not easy to be you. A more empathetic person than myself might be saddened by that. But I endeavor to keep my bokeh clean. So, rotsa ruck widdat. Seems you’re gonna need a bucketful.
Karma and bokeh are verrrrrry tightly related ... ... (show quote)


Lol... only in your deluded mind.

A point in your favour though... Rongnongo disagrees with you.

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Feb 23, 2021 16:17:04   #
User ID
 
Abo wrote:
Lol... only in your deluded mind.

A point in your favour though... Rongnongo disagrees with you.

When you can finally see yourself as you now appear to others, both your bokeh and your karma will steadily improve.

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Feb 23, 2021 16:25:13   #
Abo
 
User ID wrote:
When you can finally see yourself as you now appear to others, both your bokeh and your karma will steadily improve.


LOL

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Feb 23, 2021 17:09:37   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Abo wrote:
Dear reader,

Rongnongno talks the talk with appalling syntax and
biased corruption, however when it comes time to walk the walk
he can barely crawl... his very rare submissions look like this:

A one to one crop of his latest masterpiece:


lmao @ 1:1 cropped sample.

You are an example of what we all should avoid. Vindictive, utterly misinformed and incapable of backing down.

Congratulation, you win as I have no time for folks like you, sorry.

By the way, you are in breach of my signature that specifically demand that no edit is made of anything I posted.

Original post where this crop was extracted from...

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Feb 23, 2021 20:21:21   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
As a photographer, what is your worth?

Folks here do not seem to understand marketing and how to approach the upper end market.

It all about how much you think your time AND TALENT is worth. If you think it is average, print a price list and go for it. You will not go far and will have to work your *** off in order to make a decent living.

If on the other end you are good (you do not need to be extraordinary) and are introduced to the right folks by the right person basically two events a month makes the same amount you do shooting three/four events a weekend or a week for a month.

If you know you are in demand and highly recommended you set your price depending on your client's means and demands. In this case there is no price list, ever. The price fluctuates and usually goes up with time and 'weird demands'.

Once upon a time I was in demand by the Ross Perot entourage. These folks do not nickel and dime but have specific requirements both in time, location and more often than not have expensive demands to deal with. Not request, DEMANDS. Either you do it or you lose an opportunity. There is no price on this type of service. It all depends on how capable you are and how you come across.

So the real questions are:
WHAT IS YOUR WORTH?
Then
How do you come across?
And finally
Who do you know who can introduce you to a STILL very lucrative market?

The only ethic issue here is DELIVER. If you do not you are burned, end of it. Even smaller markets close on you. These folks will make you or break you, just like that, they have the reach.

The gravy train lasted two years and ended when we moved to Italy.
As a photographer, what is your worth? br br Folk... (show quote)


You are right on with your question. As you say, worth is what someone is willing to pay for your services. One of the better talks about pricing was very simple advice: When getting into photography especially wedding photography, it is a good idea to check your market area and see what the low-end is and what the high-end is. Then start your pricing half-way between the two. You don't want to get a reputation of being a low-end photographer. If your work is good, you will find that you will not be able to keep up with the requests. At that point, you increase your prices. You will not at first get as many assignments, but the higher charges will give you the same or better income. Eventually the level will come back up to where you will again need to raise prices to thin the requests. Over time, if your product is excellent and people are willing to pay for your services, you will find yourself at the higher level of the market and will be making a good income and perhaps not working as much as you did earlier in your career.

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Feb 23, 2021 23:14:52   #
Abo
 
Rongnongno wrote:
lmao @ 1:1 cropped sample.

You are an example of what we all should avoid. Vindictive, utterly misinformed and incapable of backing down.

Congratulation, you win as I have no time for folks like you, sorry.

By the way, you are in breach of my signature that specifically demand that no edit is made of anything I posted.

Original post where this crop was extracted from...


You have a selective memory Bud.

It was you that picked on me in the first place in this thread...
and that started the exchange between us, you hypocritical loser...
and I have a right to defend myself... and I'm letting our work ie
images do the talking now.

Dear reader,

I urge you to visit Rongnongos link, and do the "double download"
so you can see that I have not edited his image, apart from the crop to save
cyberspace. The crop is a segment around the centre of that incompetent
blur, and is presented at the exact resolution of Rongnongos... grossly noisy mess that
totally lacks detail.

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Feb 24, 2021 12:39:33   #
halraiser
 
Paul, I very much agree with your comments. In fact years ago I wrote a couple of blogs on the subject that readers here might find interesting:

https://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-much-is-he-worth-part-1.html

And

https://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-much-is-he-worth-part-2.html

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