fstop22 wrote:
Excellent photograph and Use of Raw Processing. I told you there were good Raw shooters/processors on this forum.
Thank you fstop22. But the photo I posted was taken in Jpeg from bracketed images with a very compact Panasonic DMC TZ3, not RAW, to make MY point that good photographs can be taken in Jpeg, but also that RAW makes it much easier to get good technical results in one exposure, not three or more.
Below is one taken in RAW, a very high contrast shot, tamed by processing in Adobe Camera RAW.
All you did was prove my point, that Jpeg is Just Fine for photograph and you don't need to shot in raw. Where's the single shot raw process jepg of the first photo you posted? That would have made the point for the Raw side and not the JPEG side.
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fstop22 wrote:
Excellent photograph and Use of Raw Processing. I told you there were good Raw shooters/processors on this forum.
Thank you fstop22. But the photo I posted was taken in Jpeg from bracketed images with a very compact Panasonic DMC TZ3, not RAW, to make MY point that good photographs can be taken in Jpeg, but also that RAW makes it much easier to get good technical results in one exposure, not three or more.
Below is one taken in RAW, a very high contrast shot, tamed by processing in Adobe Camera RAW.
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What, you crop out the blown out area in the raw?? Not blind from here. Also you processed the Raw files, tweak them, and what compare that from straight out of camera JPEG?? Not even close to prove point. Add the blown out areas back into your raw process file and fix that. Once an area is blown out you You can Not Recover Info that is Not There.. You gotta do better than that
pappy0352 wrote:
As stated I shoot RAW and JPEG. I post quite a few shots on the site. This is a Raw processed in Lightroom 4.
Pappy
Come on Guys where's all you Raw shooters that bash JPEG
You can't blame the camera or RAW on this, it is my interpretation of what I see (I am 70% color blind) and if you wern't such an asshole you would appreciate that. It so happens on this picture I sent it in to Digital Camera and recieved praise for it. And by the way focus is not off, I blew it up to 198% and focus was on.
Brucej67 wrote:
I beg your pardon; I shoot RAW (NEAF in Nikon terms) and have posted many shots (including my avatar). Check this one out: :hunf:
fstop22 wrote:
You Guys are Killing Me. You tell everyone to shoot raw but Where's the Photos. I went back and checked everyone that shots raw, 100% of the Time.. Nikonian is the only one that post photos. Most of you Raw shooters have Not Even Posted One Photo.... And the few that have maybe 5 or 6.. You Rave how great Raw is but you post No Photos or just a couple. All of my shots are in JPEG. Not the best in the world, but you guys ain't even Posted anything to Look at.. Is your Photos still Processing?? I wasted one week of my life on Raw, that was almost 2 years ago. If you have to rely on Raw processing to pull data from the shadows and highlights of todays cameras, maybe you should read a book or two on photography. I recommend Understanding Exposure edition3 by Brain Peterson. There are qualified Raw shooters on this format.but you got to Post some decent photos before you start Trashing shooting in JPEG. Stop giving opinions when you got no photos............
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Blown out large areas on the fender and hood. Lost details in shadows down below, Does not prove your point.
33RIVERS wrote:
fstop22 wrote:
You Guys are Killing Me. You tell everyone to shoot raw but Where's the Photos. I went back and checked everyone that shots raw, 100% of the Time.. Nikonian is the only one that post photos. Most of you Raw shooters have Not Even Posted One Photo.... And the few that have maybe 5 or 6.. You Rave how great Raw is but you post No Photos or just a couple. All of my shots are in JPEG. Not the best in the world, but you guys ain't even Posted anything to Look at.. Is your Photos still Processing?? I wasted one week of my life on Raw, that was almost 2 years ago. If you have to rely on Raw processing to pull data from the shadows and highlights of todays cameras, maybe you should read a book or two on photography. I recommend Understanding Exposure edition3 by Brain Peterson. There are qualified Raw shooters on this format.but you got to Post some decent photos before you start Trashing shooting in JPEG. Stop giving opinions when you got no photos............
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stop22, I don't think anyone was trashing shooting in JPEG or any other format for that matter. It is simply a matter of preference and whether or not you choose to spend time in PP. As for posting photos, I for one am rather leary about posting anywhere! I use my work to supplement my income, and there are far too many unscrupulous people out there who find it easier to rip off the amateur or pro photographer just because they "found it on the web, it must be free", even though our copyright is plainly visible. But if you must see my work to validate my claims, please refrain from commenting on my © across the image, and concentrate on the body of work. Respectfully 33 Rivers (WJB4)
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I shoot RAW all the time. I seldom get the results I want from a shot without PP.
Are you trying to be argumentitive, no one bashes JPEG for even after processing RAW it must be turned into JPEG to use the picture.
fstop22 wrote:
Come on Guys where's all you Raw shooters that bash JPEG
What, this was the size of a postage stamp?? I stand by the facts. Color off, focus off... and since we can't blame the raw we will blame you.. But the Point is you still did not make your case, that shooting in Raw is Better. But go ahead and call me names if it makes you feel better.
Brucej67 wrote:
You can't blame the camera or RAW on this, it is my interpretation of what I see (I am 70% color blind) and if you wern't such an asshole you would appreciate that. It so happens on this picture I sent it in to Digital Camera and recieved praise for it. And by the way focus is not off, I blew it up to 198% and focus was on.
Brucej67 wrote:
I beg your pardon; I shoot RAW (NEAF in Nikon terms) and have posted many shots (including my avatar). Check this one out: :hunf:
fstop22 wrote:
You Guys are Killing Me. You tell everyone to shoot raw but Where's the Photos. I went back and checked everyone that shots raw, 100% of the Time.. Nikonian is the only one that post photos. Most of you Raw shooters have Not Even Posted One Photo.... And the few that have maybe 5 or 6.. You Rave how great Raw is but you post No Photos or just a couple. All of my shots are in JPEG. Not the best in the world, but you guys ain't even Posted anything to Look at.. Is your Photos still Processing?? I wasted one week of my life on Raw, that was almost 2 years ago. If you have to rely on Raw processing to pull data from the shadows and highlights of todays cameras, maybe you should read a book or two on photography. I recommend Understanding Exposure edition3 by Brain Peterson. There are qualified Raw shooters on this format.but you got to Post some decent photos before you start Trashing shooting in JPEG. Stop giving opinions when you got no photos............
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I will reframe from calling you names, and agree to disagree with you, however you are not making any point yourself. What are you saying that shooting in JPEG is better than RAW? Or are you saying do not PP your photographs to the degree that you need raw?
fstop22 wrote:
What, this was the size of a postage stamp?? I stand by the facts. Color off, focus off... and since we can't blame the raw we will blame you.. But the Point is you still did not make your case, that shooting in Raw is Better. But go ahead and call me names if it makes you feel better.
Brucej67 wrote:
You can't blame the camera or RAW on this, it is my interpretation of what I see (I am 70% color blind) and if you wern't such an asshole you would appreciate that. It so happens on this picture I sent it in to Digital Camera and recieved praise for it. And by the way focus is not off, I blew it up to 198% and focus was on.
Brucej67 wrote:
I beg your pardon; I shoot RAW (NEAF in Nikon terms) and have posted many shots (including my avatar). Check this one out: :hunf:
fstop22 wrote:
You Guys are Killing Me. You tell everyone to shoot raw but Where's the Photos. I went back and checked everyone that shots raw, 100% of the Time.. Nikonian is the only one that post photos. Most of you Raw shooters have Not Even Posted One Photo.... And the few that have maybe 5 or 6.. You Rave how great Raw is but you post No Photos or just a couple. All of my shots are in JPEG. Not the best in the world, but you guys ain't even Posted anything to Look at.. Is your Photos still Processing?? I wasted one week of my life on Raw, that was almost 2 years ago. If you have to rely on Raw processing to pull data from the shadows and highlights of todays cameras, maybe you should read a book or two on photography. I recommend Understanding Exposure edition3 by Brain Peterson. There are qualified Raw shooters on this format.but you got to Post some decent photos before you start Trashing shooting in JPEG. Stop giving opinions when you got no photos............
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If you come over to the JPEG side you can sort, crop, adjust and be back to shooting in minutes.
lnhaynie wrote:
I shoot RAW all the time. I seldom get the results I want from a shot without PP.
Raw 100% of the time. I am a gluten for punishment. Love sitting in my room PPing for hours on end (seriously). :)
I shoot JPEG all the time and just love the fact I can download, and process in minutes. With so many people shooting and Shouting shoot in Raw. I just want to hear a good argument for me to come over to your side. I want someone to show me that the benefits out weigh the headaches. In my Opinion Raw has a better chance of turning out bad than good. After all the processing is in your hands. How can the average photographer process a file better than a Computer?? And if I want to add my tweaks, just go from the JPEG file. I should mention that I never process the original file and always have that to fall back on.
Brucej67 wrote:
I will reframe from calling you names, and agree to disagree with you, however you are not making any point yourself. What are you saying that shooting in JPEG is better than RAW? Or are you saying do not PP your photographs to the degree that you need raw?
fstop22 wrote:
What, this was the size of a postage stamp?? I stand by the facts. Color off, focus off... and since we can't blame the raw we will blame you.. But the Point is you still did not make your case, that shooting in Raw is Better. But go ahead and call me names if it makes you feel better.
Brucej67 wrote:
You can't blame the camera or RAW on this, it is my interpretation of what I see (I am 70% color blind) and if you wern't such an asshole you would appreciate that. It so happens on this picture I sent it in to Digital Camera and recieved praise for it. And by the way focus is not off, I blew it up to 198% and focus was on.
Brucej67 wrote:
I beg your pardon; I shoot RAW (NEAF in Nikon terms) and have posted many shots (including my avatar). Check this one out: :hunf:
fstop22 wrote:
You Guys are Killing Me. You tell everyone to shoot raw but Where's the Photos. I went back and checked everyone that shots raw, 100% of the Time.. Nikonian is the only one that post photos. Most of you Raw shooters have Not Even Posted One Photo.... And the few that have maybe 5 or 6.. You Rave how great Raw is but you post No Photos or just a couple. All of my shots are in JPEG. Not the best in the world, but you guys ain't even Posted anything to Look at.. Is your Photos still Processing?? I wasted one week of my life on Raw, that was almost 2 years ago. If you have to rely on Raw processing to pull data from the shadows and highlights of todays cameras, maybe you should read a book or two on photography. I recommend Understanding Exposure edition3 by Brain Peterson. There are qualified Raw shooters on this format.but you got to Post some decent photos before you start Trashing shooting in JPEG. Stop giving opinions when you got no photos............
You Guys are Killing Me. You tell everyone to shoo... (
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I beg your pardon; I shoot RAW (NEAF in Nikon term... (
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What, this was the size of a postage stamp?? I sta... (
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For those amongst us -- I am not one -- who are a) allergic to sunlight, b) antisocial, c) masochistic and/or d) AR, RAW is the way to go. Although I am serious about photography, I am not a professional, and I do not expect to receive any phone calls in near future from New York Museum of Contemporary Art to hang my work. With rare exception, for me, RAW falls into the "life is short" category. I've gotten excellent enlargements as large as 20x30 from JPEG and with a 10MB DSLR. Several are hanging on walls of my home, and I get compliments all the time. That said, I grant that no one (yet) has taken a 10x loupe to any of the prints. To coin a phrase, JPEG "works for me."
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